Not sure I understand. You're saying we shouldn't believe recordings because they can be faked? That sounds like a pretty strong claim, I hope you have better proof to support this reasoning. Even...
Not sure I understand. You're saying we shouldn't believe recordings because they can be faked? That sounds like a pretty strong claim, I hope you have better proof to support this reasoning. Even that CNN report doesn't mention the recording being fake, and we have since learned from other sources that the content of that recording was pretty accurate.
As for military intelligence perspective, you would often sacrifice sources if it supports your goals.
I am disappointed to find these kind of arguments on tildes. Ask yourself - are you equally skeptical of casualty reports coming from Gaza?
This only sounds absurd if one considers Hamas to be a monolithic entity. In reality, it's composed of a lot of people organized into cells, and many people in the lower tier cells are just...
This only sounds absurd if one considers Hamas to be a monolithic entity. In reality, it's composed of a lot of people organized into cells, and many people in the lower tier cells are just regular, poorly trained guys with an axe to grind.
It's not dissimilar from the cell phone leaks that law enforcement keep using in drug cartel investigations. Even though they too should know better, and even issue encrypted phones to their people, we have seen how often they fail to use proper procedures in the BlueLeaks data dump -- there's the decrypted data, but also lots of just regular chatter including social media.
I chortled at schrodinger's hamas. This feels like absurdist propaganda. And all to justify the bombing of a hospital. Theres even an animation of an elaborate underground lair.
I chortled at schrodinger's hamas. This feels like absurdist propaganda. And all to justify the bombing of a hospital. Theres even an animation of an elaborate underground lair.
Is the implication that Israel faked that audio to pin the blame for the hospital blast on Hamas? If so, it's worth noting that the international consensus now seems to be that the hospital blast...
we have seen this same type of thing previously: IDF releases audio claiming to be Hamas operatives discussing hospital blast
Is the implication that Israel faked that audio to pin the blame for the hospital blast on Hamas? If so, it's worth noting that the international consensus now seems to be that the hospital blast was indeed caused by Hamas.
The Times’s finding does not answer what actually did cause the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital blast, or who is responsible. The contention by Israeli and American intelligence agencies that a failed Palestinian rocket launch is to blame remains plausible. But the Times analysis does cast doubt on one of the most publicized pieces of evidence that Israeli officials have used to make their case and complicates the straightforward narrative they have put forth.
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Numerous media outlets have shown the video footage and several have cited it as evidence that a Palestinian rocket hit the hospital.
But The Times concluded that the missile in the video was never near the hospital. It was launched from Israel, not Gaza, and appears to have exploded above the Israeli-Gaza border, at least two miles away from the hospital.
To trace the object in the sky back to Israeli territory, The Times synchronized the Al Jazeera footage with five other videos filmed at the same time, including footage from an Israeli television station, Channel 12, and a CCTV camera in Tel Aviv. These different videos provided a view of the missile from north, south, east and west. Using satellite imagery to triangulate the launch point in those videos, The Times determined that the projectile was fired toward Gaza from near the Israeli town of Nahal Oz shortly before the deadly hospital blast. The findings match the conclusion reached by some online researchers.
Honestly, entirely credible in my mind. If Hamas was serious about their bullshit excuse, they're free to allow independent investigators on site and have them check for tunnel entrances. But I...
Honestly, entirely credible in my mind. If Hamas was serious about their bullshit excuse, they're free to allow independent investigators on site and have them check for tunnel entrances. But I doubt they'd allow that. Particularly since they're basically pointing at the other incident they shamelessly lied about as evidence, upholding their lie.
And before we go there, no that doesn't mean that I think the hospital is in serious need of some bunker busters. In an almost-ideal world the hospital is in need of a few truckloads of concrete in the lower floors. In an ideal world, we wouldn't even know this hospital exists. In the world we're in, I'm thoroughly lost what the best viable course of action is.
Please make sure in the future when you make a submission that you add some tags to it. I've got Israel and Palestine filtered out because I really don't enjoy thinking about it, but if there is...
Please make sure in the future when you make a submission that you add some tags to it.
I've got Israel and Palestine filtered out because I really don't enjoy thinking about it, but if there is no tags then there is no way for a topic to be caught in the filter.
Not sure I understand. You're saying we shouldn't believe recordings because they can be faked? That sounds like a pretty strong claim, I hope you have better proof to support this reasoning. Even that CNN report doesn't mention the recording being fake, and we have since learned from other sources that the content of that recording was pretty accurate.
As for military intelligence perspective, you would often sacrifice sources if it supports your goals.
I am disappointed to find these kind of arguments on tildes. Ask yourself - are you equally skeptical of casualty reports coming from Gaza?
Because the opinion that something is easily faked is not the same as proof it was faked. As for implausiblility - that is quite subjective.
This only sounds absurd if one considers Hamas to be a monolithic entity. In reality, it's composed of a lot of people organized into cells, and many people in the lower tier cells are just regular, poorly trained guys with an axe to grind.
It's not dissimilar from the cell phone leaks that law enforcement keep using in drug cartel investigations. Even though they too should know better, and even issue encrypted phones to their people, we have seen how often they fail to use proper procedures in the BlueLeaks data dump -- there's the decrypted data, but also lots of just regular chatter including social media.
I chortled at schrodinger's hamas. This feels like absurdist propaganda. And all to justify the bombing of a hospital. Theres even an animation of an elaborate underground lair.
Is the implication that Israel faked that audio to pin the blame for the hospital blast on Hamas? If so, it's worth noting that the international consensus now seems to be that the hospital blast was indeed caused by Hamas.
This is not true:
Honestly, entirely credible in my mind. If Hamas was serious about their bullshit excuse, they're free to allow independent investigators on site and have them check for tunnel entrances. But I doubt they'd allow that. Particularly since they're basically pointing at the other incident they shamelessly lied about as evidence, upholding their lie.
And before we go there, no that doesn't mean that I think the hospital is in serious need of some bunker busters. In an almost-ideal world the hospital is in need of a few truckloads of concrete in the lower floors. In an ideal world, we wouldn't even know this hospital exists. In the world we're in, I'm thoroughly lost what the best viable course of action is.
Please make sure in the future when you make a submission that you add some tags to it.
I've got Israel and Palestine filtered out because I really don't enjoy thinking about it, but if there is no tags then there is no way for a topic to be caught in the filter.