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More than 200 women allege drugging with a diuretic to make them urinate during interviews by senior French civil servant
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/nov/26/women-allege-drugging-by-senior-french-civil-servant
Years of investigation? When they have his records? Why!?!
Okay I'm not excusing anyone's behavior but like, I wouldn't even think that I was drugged if I had to pee really bad during an interview? It almost feels like identifying that there was a pattern in the first place would require someone paying close attention
I think they mean it's been known since 2018:
Oh... I need a coffee I skimmed the article but completely missed that. Yeah that's inexcusable. Although the timeline is a little unclear, 2018 to 2019 could be as little as 1 month and as much as 23.
But it's now almost 2026, and no trial. Why?
Legal matters take time. The prosecution wants to make as airtight a case as possible on the most severe crime.
Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so either. Notably, basically all of the victims' stories involved them being informed by the cops and thinking back on the situation. But they do have his records of the drugs used, and the victims. What else is needed to move things forward?
I wonder if it's due to the sprawling nature of the case given there are 200 victims. I mean, 6+ years is still too long, but 200 victims means a lot of evidence to collect and process.
I hope the victims find justice, and peace, that they were victims of violence and there's absolutely nothing to go on living in shame about. Obviously, I can't know how they feel, but if I think about it as someone made me sick with a smell, and threw up mid interview, I might feel less shame and humiliation over the situation.
Can someone explain why France is so… messed up with sexual stuff? This, pedophilia advocacy, adultery, etc?
Funny how you can always tell who's American from how readily they assume and imply France has some kind of problem.
cough Epstein files cough
Yeah, sure, France are the real degenerate here.
Do I need to point out that what you're doing here is the exact same thing as the person above you?
Tildes is supposed to be some bastion of civility on the internet, perhaps it would be more productive to talk about why this kind of viewpoint is wrong instead of just repeating the same old script.
Well yes, I am doing the same things... Obviously.
Which is the point.
As much as I enjoy a long format discussion, most people won't read a long post about the shortcoming of group generalisation. Whereas my post was short and explained very effectively the same thing in a way even a bully can understand (do not generalize, for you are also part of a group which you wouldn't want to be judged for).
I also didn't have the time to write a long form rebuttal. Perhaps if you had moved in to do it, I wouldn't have repeated the same old script...
Nukeman used a two line sentence to imply french people are degenerate, but you expect me to make a whole thesis to explain to him how that's wrong... Fuck that. I was perfectly proportional, I basically answered "no you're the degenerate", sending him back the same energy so he knows what it's like.
Sorry, this is a sore point for me. I'm sure you mean mostly well (Maybe you felt triggered about my insulting Americans, I'll gladly say I don't actually believe that Americans are any more degenerate than Europeans), but appealing to civility only when the victim punches the bully back sounds a lot like it's benefitting the bully.
(@nukeman, if you read this I hope you don't get too upset about me calling you a bully, I don't have much reason to believe you have a pattern of bullying IRL or even online. Your post was thoughtless, that's all)
Ehh, there are perverts and monsters from every culture, in every age. The only difference I can find between the horrifically repressed places and the more sexually open places is how they treat victims after the crime/violence.
When somebody does something atrocious, there is an interesting phenomenon where we identify the parts of ourselves that are similar and the parts of ourselves that are different from that person. If the parts of us that are the same culturally outweigh the parts that are different, then we often will attribute the actions to the individual; when the parts that are different outweigh the parts that are the same, we often attribute the actions to the differences.
In this example, the cultural difference of being French outweighed everything else, and you came to the conclusion that part of the problem was because of Frenchness. My guess is that France doesn't have a sexual depravity problem more than North America does; they have some people who did terrible things. He did them because he's a terrible person, not because he is French.
I think that grouping this guy, pedophilia advocates, and adulterers together is a real mismatch as well. Pedophilia advocates appear in other cultures, with NAMBLA being an example in the US. It's not a particularly French characteristic to be pro pedophilia. And adultery is generally not a crime; as much as it is reprehensible, I don't think it should be put in the same group with drugging people or advocating for pedophilia.
So my explanation would be that it's reductive to say that these things are either a) related enough to each other to be a characteristic of a specific group or b) a significant enough characteristic of people who live in France that it could be considered a "problem with France".
That rape cult from like a year ago as well. It could always be a greater willingness to admit or prosecute and not a greater propensity for degeneracy.