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  1. CALICO
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    Think Progress is a fairly Left-biased source, but this article is half quotations and pretty well cited for the rest of it.

    @realDonaldTrump
    We shouldn’t be hiring judges by the thousands, as our ridiculous immigration laws demand, we should be changing our laws, building the Wall, hire Border Agents and Ice and not let people come into our country based on the legal phrase they are told to say as their password.
    8:12 AM - Jun 21, 2018

    “They say, ‘say the following’ — they write it down — ‘I am being harmed in my country, my country is extremely dangerous, I fear for my life’ — ‘say that, congratulations, you’ll never be removed,'” Trump said. “This is being given to them by lawyers that are waiting for them to come up… in a way, that’s cheating.”
    CNN, speech

    Think Progress is a fairly Left-biased source, but this article is half quotations and pretty well cited for the rest of it.

    14 votes
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    Luca
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    Bit of a sensationalized title there. He claimed that those coming in to seek asylum may be coached to say certain things, and might not all truly be asylum seekers. It's a valid point, but he...

    Bit of a sensationalized title there. He claimed that those coming in to seek asylum may be coached to say certain things, and might not all truly be asylum seekers. It's a valid point, but he could have phrased it better.

    10 votes
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      Diet_Coke
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      So Trump is claiming these asylum seekers and their ... children ... might be ... acting ... like they're in a ... crisis ... when they're really not? That's a valid point and the title is...

      So Trump is claiming these asylum seekers and their ... children ... might be ... acting ... like they're in a ... crisis ... when they're really not? That's a valid point and the title is sensationalized?

      9 votes
      1. Luca
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        That's not what the term "Crisis actor" refers to, and is specifically not what Trump said. I'd say the headline puts a pretty heavy bias by editorializing it like that. People abuse asylum all...

        That's not what the term "Crisis actor" refers to, and is specifically not what Trump said. I'd say the headline puts a pretty heavy bias by editorializing it like that.

        People abuse asylum all the time. It's not like this is something new.

        6 votes
    2. acr
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      That's how it always is. They trying to make it sound like something completely different. And he isn't wrong. People abuse Asylum. Immigration is a very complicated issue and a lot of people...

      That's how it always is. They trying to make it sound like something completely different. And he isn't wrong. People abuse Asylum. Immigration is a very complicated issue and a lot of people don't realize that America can't be everyone's hero. We have to set guidelines, and we have to set policies.

      edit what I meant was, he's not wrong when he says people abuse Asylum. And other areas, yes he is wrong.

      2 votes
  3. [4]
    Leon
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    Does Trump use the phrase "crisis actor"? As far as I understood it has a specific meaning that doesn't fit here. Trump also seems to be attempting to make a valid point, but he's using a poor...

    Does Trump use the phrase "crisis actor"? As far as I understood it has a specific meaning that doesn't fit here.

    A crisis actor (aka actor-patient or actor victim) is a trained actor, role player, volunteer, or other person engaged to portray a disaster victim during emergency drills to train first responders such as police, firefighters or EMT personnel. Crisis actors are used to create high-fidelity simulations of disasters in order to allow first responders to practice their skills and help emergency services organizations to prepare and train in realistic scenarios as part of full-scale disaster exercises

    Trump also seems to be attempting to make a valid point, but he's using a poor choice of language to make it and doesn't offer a solution. It's probably true that people are being coached as to what to say at border control, they might often have a poor grasp of English, and/or be extremely afraid and nervous partaking in interviews to judge their right of entry. I'd personally find out as much about that process, prior to undertaking it, as I possibly could. It's probably also true that some people are stating they are in a situation they are not in, to gain entry to the country.

    The question is, what is the aim? Is it to prevent the total number of people granted entry regardless of situation? Is it to allow entry for those seeking asylum and return everyone else?

    If people are being coached for the procedure to the extent that it's causing refugees to be looked at with suspicion then that would definately be a problem and would need resolution. On the other hand, this may simply a statement intended to reduce the total amount of incoming people regardless of their situation in order to gain voter base support, something we've seen recently in the UK.

    8 votes
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      Archimedes
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      Yeah, it doesn't look like Trump is explicitly calling them actors at this time, but that's certainly a claim that's been heard from right-wing news.

      Yeah, it doesn't look like Trump is explicitly calling them actors at this time, but that's certainly a claim that's been heard from right-wing news.

      7 votes
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        Leon
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        My god, is Ann Coulter still knocking around? I remember first reading her stuff when I was 18 or 19 or so (15 years ago now) and just being so utterly enraged by her, I'm from the UK and we...

        My god, is Ann Coulter still knocking around? I remember first reading her stuff when I was 18 or 19 or so (15 years ago now) and just being so utterly enraged by her, I'm from the UK and we didn't have anything like that point of view. Maybe Katie Hopkins is closest these days but even she's not quite in the same league as of evil.

        Does she count as "the press"? I'm pretty sure she's just an outrage merchant that's fading into obscurity, but I admit I don't know that much about her.

        4 votes
        1. Archimedes
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          She is a self-described polemicist, but that's good enough to be a commentator on Fox News apparently.

          She is a self-described polemicist, but that's good enough to be a commentator on Fox News apparently.

          1 vote
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    RespectMyAuthoriteh
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    I eagerly await the day Tildes has a dedicated ~politics group so people will stop using ~news for political purposes.

    I eagerly await the day Tildes has a dedicated ~politics group so people will stop using ~news for political purposes.

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    1. clerical_terrors
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      News and politics tend to intertwine a fair bit. After all what the executive says and does has an impact down the line.

      News and politics tend to intertwine a fair bit. After all what the executive says and does has an impact down the line.

      5 votes