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Right-wing groups with guns plan to impersonate and infiltrate Antifa at Portalnd rally this weekend

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    1. demifiend
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      I agree, but if you're antifa and you're thinking of exercising your 2nd Amendment rights, don't just buy a gun. Learn to use it in a safe, responsible manner. Train with your fellow activists....

      If anything, I would casually remind those attending the rally that, right-wing, Antifa, or otherwise, you have the same right and ability as everyone else to own a gun, and maybe they should exercise that right.

      I agree, but if you're antifa and you're thinking of exercising your 2nd Amendment rights, don't just buy a gun. Learn to use it in a safe, responsible manner. Train with your fellow activists. Learn small unit tactics and work on your marksmanship. Simply buying a gun and carrying it around isn't enough.

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      pleure
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      This is going to be a disaster, the anti-fascists aren't going to back down because, well, they're anti-fascists, and the fash has basically said that they're looking to incite violence. I pray...

      This is going to be a disaster, the anti-fascists aren't going to back down because, well, they're anti-fascists, and the fash has basically said that they're looking to incite violence. I pray for the safety of the non-fascists.

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      1. demifiend
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        To hell with prayer; can we get a collection going to buy Portland antifa some body armor?

        To hell with prayer; can we get a collection going to buy Portland antifa some body armor?

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        DragonfireKai
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        The simple solution is to not give in to the incitement. If you don't respond to their incitement, if there's going to be violence, then they have to initiate it.

        The simple solution is to not give in to the incitement. If you don't respond to their incitement, if there's going to be violence, then they have to initiate it.

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          Gaywallet
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          If only it were so simple. Nothing is stopping them from using force and claiming self defense, especially if their buddies are around and they can get away with it.

          If only it were so simple.

          Nothing is stopping them from using force and claiming self defense, especially if their buddies are around and they can get away with it.

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          1. DragonfireKai
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            Be above reproach. Bring no weapons, not even the plausibly deniable ones that fringe protesters love. No batons, not bike locks, no signs mounted on curious robust and nail ridden 2x4s. Don't...

            Be above reproach. Bring no weapons, not even the plausibly deniable ones that fringe protesters love. No batons, not bike locks, no signs mounted on curious robust and nail ridden 2x4s. Don't touch anyone, don't break anything, don't box people in, and don't associate with anyone who does those things.

            Do you know what separates successful civil rights actions from actions that just got dismissed as riots? When someone came to clock a protester with a rock or a baton, the protester didn't fight back. They caught a beating, but when the public saw it, they empathized with the person being beaten and public sentiment shifts towards the side being beaten. When the video shows some asshole throwing a rock at someone and then getting swarmed, the public looks at it and says "what a bunch of assholes" and public sentiment becomes contingent on who can plausibly deny the extremists in their midst more effectively.

            If your cause is worth throwing a punch for, it's worth taking a punch for, and right now, you will do more for your side taking a punch than you will throwing one. Of course, if everyone adheres to this, then you've got two sides protesting without being violent, and public sentiment will be determined by other things than empathizing with protesters, which is the ideal situation, unless you're afraid that without tricking your opponent into resorting to violence you won't be able to prevail on the strength of your argument alone.

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