A pardon for these convictions should kick Congress into action, but it won't. Here you have a man who was arrested, posted bail, and then had that bail revoked for obstruction, in what amounted...
A pardon for these convictions should kick Congress into action, but it won't. Here you have a man who was arrested, posted bail, and then had that bail revoked for obstruction, in what amounted to witness tampering. He's then convicted by a jury of his peers, the very bedrock of our legal system; jurors who heard testimony and read exhibits and who included at least one admitted Trump supporter, and apparently carefully deliberated for days, asked questions of the judge, to ultimately reach the conclusion that he was guilty on eight counts. To pardon him would be an affront to those jurors, that court, the Special Counsel, and the entire justice system.
I honestly think the whole idea of Presidential pardons could be due for a re-examination. It gives a sitting President powers more akin to exactly what the founding fathers sought to avoid: a King.
This is what keeps striking me. Repeating something untrue over and over again works. Seeding that doubt is all you need on any issue before loads of people get confused or just "don't know"...
“Certainly Mr. Manafort got caught breaking the law, but he wouldn’t have gotten caught if they weren’t after President Trump,” Duncan said of the special counsel’s case, which she separately described as a “witch hunt to try to find Russian collusion,” borrowing a phrase Trump has used in tweets more than 100 times.
This is what keeps striking me.
Repeating something untrue over and over again works. Seeding that doubt is all you need on any issue before loads of people get confused or just "don't know" what's right and wrong anymore.
It's depressing to think about, but that's how intellectually capable or intellectually lazy or whatever you want to call it society is as a whole.
I don't see how it's solvable though, it seems pretty much basic brain chemistry and we're all susceptible to it in a larger or smaller way. I kind of go crazy sometimes thinking about whether...
I don't see how it's solvable though, it seems pretty much basic brain chemistry and we're all susceptible to it in a larger or smaller way. I kind of go crazy sometimes thinking about whether what I say and think are my own thoughts or it has been planted there via cultural memes and manipulation (benevolent or not). It's quite depressing honestly.
I'll give an example to describe why I think it's strange. In a right-angled triangle, the sum of the square of the two shorter sides equals the length of the hypotenuse squared. Simply stated the...
I'll give an example to describe why I think it's strange.
In a right-angled triangle, the sum of the square of the two shorter sides equals the length of the hypotenuse squared.
This is a simple truth, the evidence is strikingly clear to give, there are scores of different ways of proving it. At the same time, the Pythagorean theorem is probably about at the threshold where many adults need help with the proofs.
I'd suggest it's about at the level of difficulty of many of the basic political untruths being spread: Practically anyone can verify the truthiness of the claim for themselves with a little help or by watching a pedagogic youtube video.
You could probably manage to deceive a lot of people into thinking the Pythagorean theorem is a lie, or that the world is flat.
Or using a similar level of epistemological tools taught in high school, that vaccines are dangerous, or that something is a witch hunt although people keep pleading guilty.
You can repeat something that contravenes basically anything you can easily demonstrate using skills taught in the last year or two of high school and sow so much doubt that people give up or no longer know what's true.
The interesting thing here is that as the other 10 counts were mistrial, the Prosecution has a right to go after those again. If Trump does pardon Manafort, it will only be for the 8 counts he was...
The interesting thing here is that as the other 10 counts were mistrial, the Prosecution has a right to go after those again. If Trump does pardon Manafort, it will only be for the 8 counts he was found guilty on, and he can be back in court to face those 10 charges.
Additionally, Manafort still has his other trial next month which has twice the evidence as this one did.
There’s also the state of New York that is ready to put Manafort on trial for violations of NY state law. No President is allowed to pardon those. One cage or another, he’s going to prison.
There’s also the state of New York that is ready to put Manafort on trial for violations of NY state law. No President is allowed to pardon those.
see this is what I thought and confused for cohen's case which DOES have state charges. I honestly don't know if state charges are on manafort's plate.
see this is what I thought and confused for cohen's case which DOES have state charges. I honestly don't know if state charges are on manafort's plate.
I think they are. Both of the Dem candidates for NYSAG are running on trying Manafort for state crimes if Trump pardons him for federal crimes. Both of them are arguing that they are the most...
I think they are. Both of the Dem candidates for NYSAG are running on trying Manafort for state crimes if Trump pardons him for federal crimes. Both of them are arguing that they are the most ready to try Manafort.
I think the major wrinkle of a pardon is that a pardon comes with an admission of guilt for a crime. That will make any defense against prosecution by the state of NY that much more difficult.
A pardon for these convictions should kick Congress into action, but it won't. Here you have a man who was arrested, posted bail, and then had that bail revoked for obstruction, in what amounted to witness tampering. He's then convicted by a jury of his peers, the very bedrock of our legal system; jurors who heard testimony and read exhibits and who included at least one admitted Trump supporter, and apparently carefully deliberated for days, asked questions of the judge, to ultimately reach the conclusion that he was guilty on eight counts. To pardon him would be an affront to those jurors, that court, the Special Counsel, and the entire justice system.
I honestly think the whole idea of Presidential pardons could be due for a re-examination. It gives a sitting President powers more akin to exactly what the founding fathers sought to avoid: a King.
Totally paid off.
Trump doesn't need to pay off his useful idiots. They'll support him despite his abject failure to keep any of his campaign promises.
Very true and now I want to delete my comment.
You can if you like.
I'll leave my shame.
Build the wall! ..............(without mexico paying for it, they never were and was only a slogan that was easy to remember)
This is what keeps striking me.
Repeating something untrue over and over again works. Seeding that doubt is all you need on any issue before loads of people get confused or just "don't know" what's right and wrong anymore.
It's depressing to think about, but that's how intellectually capable or intellectually lazy or whatever you want to call it society is as a whole.
I don't see how it's solvable though, it seems pretty much basic brain chemistry and we're all susceptible to it in a larger or smaller way. I kind of go crazy sometimes thinking about whether what I say and think are my own thoughts or it has been planted there via cultural memes and manipulation (benevolent or not). It's quite depressing honestly.
I'll give an example to describe why I think it's strange.
In a right-angled triangle, the sum of the square of the two shorter sides equals the length of the hypotenuse squared.
Simply stated the Pythagorean theorem reads a^2 + b^2 = c^2
This is a simple truth, the evidence is strikingly clear to give, there are scores of different ways of proving it. At the same time, the Pythagorean theorem is probably about at the threshold where many adults need help with the proofs.
I'd suggest it's about at the level of difficulty of many of the basic political untruths being spread: Practically anyone can verify the truthiness of the claim for themselves with a little help or by watching a pedagogic youtube video.
You could probably manage to deceive a lot of people into thinking the Pythagorean theorem is a lie, or that the world is flat.
Or using a similar level of epistemological tools taught in high school, that vaccines are dangerous, or that something is a witch hunt although people keep pleading guilty.
Or getting Americans so unsure that only 47% surveyed said Obama was definitely born in the US
You can repeat something that contravenes basically anything you can easily demonstrate using skills taught in the last year or two of high school and sow so much doubt that people give up or no longer know what's true.
The interesting thing here is that as the other 10 counts were mistrial, the Prosecution has a right to go after those again. If Trump does pardon Manafort, it will only be for the 8 counts he was found guilty on, and he can be back in court to face those 10 charges.
Additionally, Manafort still has his other trial next month which has twice the evidence as this one did.
There’s also the state of New York that is ready to put Manafort on trial for violations of NY state law. No President is allowed to pardon those.
One cage or another, he’s going to prison.
we all knew that pardon was coming.
Wouldn't a pardon mean that Manafort will be sought after by New York for state-level crimes?
see this is what I thought and confused for cohen's case which DOES have state charges. I honestly don't know if state charges are on manafort's plate.
I think they are. Both of the Dem candidates for NYSAG are running on trying Manafort for state crimes if Trump pardons him for federal crimes. Both of them are arguing that they are the most ready to try Manafort.
I think the major wrinkle of a pardon is that a pardon comes with an admission of guilt for a crime. That will make any defense against prosecution by the state of NY that much more difficult.