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Trump on Elizabeth Warren DNA test: "Who cares?"; I hope she runs, "she'd be very easy"

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  1. [8]
    somewaffles
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    These two quotes sum up his personality pretty well. The man is a liar and a hypocrite. I understand peoples frustrations with the current political climate but he creates fake realities and...

    "I didn't say that you better read that again," the president said about the million dollar challenge.

    "I hope she's running for president because I think she'd be very easy," he said. "I hope that she is running. I do not think she'll be difficult at all. She'll destroy the country. She'll make the country into Venezuela. With that being said, I don't want to say bad things about her because I hope she would be one of the people that would get through the process. It's going to be a long process for the Democrats."

    These two quotes sum up his personality pretty well. The man is a liar and a hypocrite. I understand peoples frustrations with the current political climate but he creates fake realities and contradicts himself constantly. I visited r/the_donald to see what people had to say and everyone was hung up on the fact that she is, at most, 1/64th native american. Which is a fine complaint and I kind of agree. What they are missing is that he blatantly lied saying that he never made the original challenge. He could have 1. went ahead and donated the $1 million anyway since, you know, that is an absurdly small amount of money for him and it would have made everyone happy 2. said that he didn't believe 1/64th was enough to consider oneself a native american. But no, the guy continues to create a reality based on lies.

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    1. Parliament
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      Donald Trump would like you to think a million dollars is nothing to him.

      Donald Trump would like you to think a million dollars is nothing to him.

      6 votes
    2. [6]
      Rocket_Man
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      From what I understand, he did never actually make the original challenge. He said in his own disgusting way Which I think pretty clearly shows this was a hypothetical fantasy he had and not a...

      From what I understand, he did never actually make the original challenge. He said in his own disgusting way

      “Let’s say I’m debating Pocahontas,” he said at a rally. “I promise you I’ll do this: I will take, you know those little kits they sell on television... learn your heritage!”
      “And in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she is of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheek bones, that is her only evidence, her mother said we have high cheek bones,” Trump continued.
      “We will take that little kit -- but we have to do it gently. Because we’re in the #MeToo generation, we have to do it gently,” he said. “And we will very gently take that kit, and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn’t injure her arm, and we will say: I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.”

      Which I think pretty clearly shows this was a hypothetical fantasy he had and not a serious challenge. So unless I see more information, I guess I'm actually agreeing with trump in saying "Who Cares?". All it does for me is make Elizabeth Warren look a bit bad because she did all this and ends up defending herself by saying she never used her ancestry to get ahead in her career. It's all too reminiscent of some of the self inflicted injuries made during the last election.

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      1. [4]
        Fdashstop
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        But doesn't that seem a bit like deflection? And we've had cases where Donald Trump made similar challenges and never followed through with it, such as with Barack Obama

        But doesn't that seem a bit like deflection? And we've had cases where Donald Trump made similar challenges and never followed through with it, such as with Barack Obama

        6 votes
        1. [3]
          Rocket_Man
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          Well like I said I don't see it as a real challenge and I think interpreting it as such is wishful thinking. What are you referring to as a deflection?

          Well like I said I don't see it as a real challenge and I think interpreting it as such is wishful thinking. What are you referring to as a deflection?

          3 votes
          1. [2]
            Fdashstop
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            That the people supporting him immediately shifted from "She's not Native American" to "She's not a true Native American" and from "She can't prove it" to "He never said anything like that"

            That the people supporting him immediately shifted from "She's not Native American" to "She's not a true Native American" and from "She can't prove it" to "He never said anything like that"

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            1. Pilgrim
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              They're just moving the bar. They do it every time. And everyone keeps falling for it. They don't care if she's Native American - at all. Not even a tiny bit. They're selling a narrative that...

              They're just moving the bar. They do it every time. And everyone keeps falling for it. They don't care if she's Native American - at all. Not even a tiny bit.

              They're selling a narrative that she's the type of liberal loony-toon that would claim to have Native American blood. This plays to their base and the more it comes up the more "Elizabeth Warren = Native American wannabe" is etched in the minds of all Americans. That's a bad thing for a lot of people and brings up thoughts of new-age hippies and people who think crystals control lifeforces and all of that nonsense.

              Warren seems to think she's winning some battle here, but she's losing the larger war.

              To be clear, I really, really like Elizabeth Warren and think she'd make a fine President and I think her NA heritage is a non-issue. But crystals are stupid. I'm sticking with that.

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      2. darth_vader
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        I mean, he took the Bill Mahr "challenge" seriously, and that was something like Donald proving that either his mom or dad (I forget which) wasn't an orangutan. I guess you could argue that he...

        I mean, he took the Bill Mahr "challenge" seriously, and that was something like Donald proving that either his mom or dad (I forget which) wasn't an orangutan.

        I guess you could argue that he never took that one seriously either though, that he was just trying to shove the whole thing into Bill's face or something. Going off topic, trump came off as the lesser man that round.

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  2. [5]
    wise
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    This looks like peak bread & circus to me, one of the dumbest things I've seen in politics (and I'm from Spain where every day it turns out that another politician plagiarized their master's...

    This looks like peak bread & circus to me, one of the dumbest things I've seen in politics (and I'm from Spain where every day it turns out that another politician plagiarized their master's thesis), and a great way to play right into Trump's game of bullying and throwing the stone and hiding the hand.

    edit: @smores has shown me proof (thanks!) that she never used her heritage to advance her career so I'm removing the part where I say "if she did...".

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    1. [3]
      smores
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      As far as I can tell, this piece of journalism fairly conclusively proves that she never used her Native American heritage to advance her career in any way:...

      As far as I can tell, this piece of journalism fairly conclusively proves that she never used her Native American heritage to advance her career in any way: https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html

      No one ever considered her as a minority when deciding whether to hire her.

      12 votes
      1. [2]
        papasquat
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        Who cares? By playing defense on this, you automatically look bad and weak. This is exactly what Trump wants. He doesn't give a shit if she's native american or not, or even if she can prove she is.

        Who cares? By playing defense on this, you automatically look bad and weak. This is exactly what Trump wants. He doesn't give a shit if she's native american or not, or even if she can prove she is.

        1. tildez
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          If dispelling lies with facts makes you look bad and weak then I hate everything about this dumb earth.

          If dispelling lies with facts makes you look bad and weak then I hate everything about this dumb earth.

          4 votes
    2. darth_vader
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      I've never heard of the circus part involving the leader making himself out to be a weak jerk though. Really.

      I've never heard of the circus part involving the leader making himself out to be a weak jerk though. Really.

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    Eva
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    ...is he wrong? Warren's one of the least viable Dems I could see running at all, barring say, Lessig again. She's got no chance whatsoever; behind even Avenatti, probably.

    ...is he wrong? Warren's one of the least viable Dems I could see running at all, barring say, Lessig again. She's got no chance whatsoever; behind even Avenatti, probably.

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    1. [3]
      spit-evil-olive-tips
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      What are you basing this on? A former professor at Harvard Law who's now a Senator seems like someone with more chance than someone who as far as I know is just a high-profile attorney.

      She's got no chance whatsoever; behind even Avenatti, probably.

      What are you basing this on? A former professor at Harvard Law who's now a Senator seems like someone with more chance than someone who as far as I know is just a high-profile attorney.

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      1. pleure
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        She’ll split the progressive vote, a corporate dem will get the nomination and then be flattened by Trump. I’d rather her back Bernie in exchange for VP or something like that.

        She’ll split the progressive vote, a corporate dem will get the nomination and then be flattened by Trump. I’d rather her back Bernie in exchange for VP or something like that.

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      2. Pilgrim
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        Many men in this country still have a big issue with an educated independent woman running things. She'd be almost as divisive as running Hillary again. If Dems are smart they'll run a white man...

        Many men in this country still have a big issue with an educated independent woman running things. She'd be almost as divisive as running Hillary again.

        If Dems are smart they'll run a white man from middle America or Texas - John Kerry, Beto O'Rourke, or Joe Biden would all be good choices.

        4 votes
    2. [2]
      Ellimist
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      I don't know about her viability as a candidate but it seems like, for at least the last couple election cycles, she's been consistently talked about as a prime candidate to run. For whatever...

      I don't know about her viability as a candidate but it seems like, for at least the last couple election cycles, she's been consistently talked about as a prime candidate to run. For whatever reason, she keeps deciding not too but I'd say she has as good a chance as any Democrat to win. She appeals to the same base that Bernie does, is a woman, and does not have the same sort of baggage Clinton did. The fact that she's a frequent target of Trump is only going to keep her in the spotlight and she'll likely be favored among Dems if she chose to run.

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/2020-democrats-rankings/index.html

      This article by CNN has her as CNN's Number 1 candidate

      3 votes
      1. edward
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        With her rhetoric, but she's obviously a lot more cozy with business interests, which is why the media seems to love her where they didn't Bernie. Plus, that's not a good thing considering Bernie...

        She appeals to the same base that Bernie does

        With her rhetoric, but she's obviously a lot more cozy with business interests, which is why the media seems to love her where they didn't Bernie.

        Plus, that's not a good thing considering Bernie is likely going to run, so she could split the progressive vote and cause a centrist to win (who IMO would go on to lose like Clinton did).

        If she tries to run, the best thing for progressives would be her dropping out after Bernie does well in Iowa and New Hampshire.

        1 vote
    3. russd
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      No, he is wrong I think. The younger generations seem to be moving left and she would tick off many of the checks on a list for a far left progressive. However, I think the dems should just say...

      No, he is wrong I think. The younger generations seem to be moving left and she would tick off many of the checks on a list for a far left progressive. However, I think the dems should just say she is going to run to keep Trump gunning for her, then at the last moment switch to someone even more exciting. Perhaps a Beto/Biden or Beto/Harris ticket if he loses to Cruz.

      If Beto loses, I don't see how he isn't everyone's top pick. He is doing amazing things in Texas, imagine what he could do nation wide.

      2 votes