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Hurricane-ravaged Florida county allowed 150 ‘displaced’ persons to vote by email

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  1. [3]
    tmburke
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    I feel for all of those displaced by the storm but on a technical level voting via email is a terrible, terrible idea. We've been putting the proverbial lipstick on a pig adding more and more on...

    I feel for all of those displaced by the storm but on a technical level voting via email is a terrible, terrible idea. We've been putting the proverbial lipstick on a pig adding more and more on top of SMTP- first SPF, then DKIM and now DMARC. Even when configured properly (and doubtful at this level of government) this is still an awful idea. The only way to do digital voting "right" would be to have a Smartcard/PKI infrastructure like Estonia, and even that isn't perfect. Going to be following this closely as I think legal precedent is bound to be set here eventually.

    8 votes
    1. dubteedub
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      uhhhh But really, I don't know much about the intricacies of hacking or how exactly the email spoofing works, but I am concerned about online voting just due to simple propaganda efforts. I just...

      uhhhh

      But really, I don't know much about the intricacies of hacking or how exactly the email spoofing works, but I am concerned about online voting just due to simple propaganda efforts. I just think about how easy it would it be to send out mass spam / fake news emails convincing voters to send their ballots to a fake website/email address, allowing you to take their information, change their votes, and submit them to the real site / address.

      Just think how many people were completely taken in by easily disproved fake news in the 2016 election. I can not begin to imagine how much disinfo and propaganda would be flooded online if voting by email were allowed en masse.

      5 votes
    2. teaearlgraycold
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      I just learned about all of these from setting up my ProtonMail account. I wonder how much optimization we can do at the paper level, though. Why not hire some efficiency experts and improve...

      first SPF, then DKIM and now DMARC

      I just learned about all of these from setting up my ProtonMail account.

      I wonder how much optimization we can do at the paper level, though. Why not hire some efficiency experts and improve existing systems without migrating to computer-counted votes?

      2 votes
  2. patience_limited
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    All of this misses the fact that by Florida law (and most other states), a ballot is supposed to be both secret and anonymous, its contents visible only to trusted (and presumably non-partisan)...

    All of this misses the fact that by Florida law (and most other states), a ballot is supposed to be both secret and anonymous, its contents visible only to trusted (and presumably non-partisan) counting mechanisms, with an independent method of voter verification.

    I can't imagine any verifiable means of voting by e-mail that both hides the ballot contents and anonymizes the sender, or provides protection against multiple votes by the same person.

    7 votes
  3. [2]
    dubteedub
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    So Florida state law does not allow voting by email, in addition it has been reported that Florida Governor Scott in his state of emergency declaration specifically said they would not allow...

    So Florida state law does not allow voting by email, in addition it has been reported that Florida Governor Scott in his state of emergency declaration specifically said they would not allow voters cast to ballots electronically, either by email or fax.

    So if Bay County allowed voting via email, then it looks like they violated the law and may have engaged in voter fraud.

    "You did not go through what we went through," he said, describing areas that were shut off by law enforcement and people barred from returning to their homes. "If some are unhappy we did so well up here, I don't know what to tell them. We sure had an opportunity to not do well, I can tell you that much."

    “If I can validate it with a signature, the ballot is there, how is that different than a ballot that comes in through the post office?

    Considering the completely baseless clamoring about voter fraud in the heavy Democratic Broward county, I am sure that all those stalwarts for defending the law and ensuring a fair election are going on to be on this Republican Supervisor of Elections and arrest him for openly violating state law?

    4 votes
    1. roboticide
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      Doesn't sound like the state government is even going to do anything about it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up. And with the general level of hypocrisy from the right, do you really think they're...

      "The Florida Department of State has received reports that the Bay County Supervisor of Elections allowed some voters to return their ballots via email and fax," she wrote. "Supervisors of elections are independently elected constitutional officers and it is each supervisors' responsibility to adhere to the law at all times."

      Doesn't sound like the state government is even going to do anything about it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up. And with the general level of hypocrisy from the right, do you really think they're gonna care? Even if they acknowledge it as fraud, they'd probably retort with "150 is way less than 3,000,000. I don't see a problem."

      4 votes