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Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy, sources say

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    jlpoole Link
    After reading the article, I'm left with an impression that Assange may have made a deal with Manafort to release the emails which torpedoed the Democrats. Am I being manipulated?

    After reading the article, I'm left with an impression that Assange may have made a deal with Manafort to release the emails which torpedoed the Democrats. Am I being manipulated?

    10 votes
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      mb3077 Link Parent
      It definitely has a convenient timeline of Assange meets with Russians -> Manafort meets with Assange -> Manafort becomes Trump's campaign manager -> Wikileak releases the DNC emails I personally...

      It definitely has a convenient timeline of Assange meets with Russians -> Manafort meets with Assange -> Manafort becomes Trump's campaign manager -> Wikileak releases the DNC emails

      I personally believe it to be true. But I can see why you would doubt it as it sound too clean or 'open and shut'.

      We'll see how this turns out.

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      1. dubteedub Link Parent
        The Washington Post made a very handy timeline of all of the Manafort / Wikileaks / Russia hacking shenanigans and paints a pretty clear picture imo. Timeline: What it would mean if Manafort and...

        The Washington Post made a very handy timeline of all of the Manafort / Wikileaks / Russia hacking shenanigans and paints a pretty clear picture imo.

        Timeline: What it would mean if Manafort and Assange met in 2016

        7 votes
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    deadaluspark Link
    I'm withholding my judgment until we have more than anonymous sources, considering Wikileaks continues to vehemently deny this, on top of how anonymous sources have been abused recently. Also,...

    I'm withholding my judgment until we have more than anonymous sources, considering Wikileaks continues to vehemently deny this, on top of how anonymous sources have been abused recently.

    Also, today we will find out if the charges levied against Assange have anything to do with the release of the DNC/Podesta emails or if it has more to do with the Iraq War leaks back in 2010, which will give a lot more concrete information about what is actually happening behind the scenes and what kind of evidence might actually be actionable.

    Is it just me or does it seem interesting that news outlets seem to almost never reach out to Assange for comment, but they regularly reach out to the other people in the story, like Manafort, for comment.

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    1. dubteedub Link Parent
      What is interesting to me is how this fits into the broader timeline of the Trump 2016 campaign and about who knew about the Russian intelligence hack of Democratic emails and when. Hacking a US...

      What is interesting to me is how this fits into the broader timeline of the Trump 2016 campaign and about who knew about the Russian intelligence hack of Democratic emails and when.

      Hacking a US server is a federal crime and anyone who agreed to be a part of the hack or helped it succeed is part of the criminal conspiracy. While knowing about the hack in advance may not be a crime (unless there was some kind of advance agreement that they would distribute the emails), lying to the FBI about that knowledge would be. And it just so happens that Mueller announced yesterday that Manafort lied after pleading guilty, breaching his plea agreement.

      5 votes
    2. Pilgrim Link Parent
      I'm curious to learn more about this. Any shining examples?

      how anonymous sources have been abused recently

      I'm curious to learn more about this. Any shining examples?

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    uselessabstraction Link
    At risk of coming across as jumping the gun, I think this is a really big deal. There have been so many scandals along the way that it is easy to go numb, but this is different. This story hasn't...

    At risk of coming across as jumping the gun, I think this is a really big deal. There have been so many scandals along the way that it is easy to go numb, but this is different. This story hasn't been corroborated by any other major papers yet, but assuming The Guardian didn't totally blow it here, this is the smoking gun. A representative of Trump's campaign conspired with an organization his own CIA director described as a hostile intelligence agency in effort to throw the election.

    Based on public reporting so far, it seemed probable that Roger Stone was making arrangements with Wikileaks, but the fact that Manafort was not only involved, but made the trip in person, places this mess much closer to Trump. That is in addition to the Stone/Corsi drama which is breaking out simultaneously.

    This is going to be a turbulent week. :)

    4 votes
    1. Pilgrim Link Parent
      It's a huge deal. I think A LOT is going to come out during Manafort's sentencing and by the end of it people who've been on the side of the Trump admin all along are going to be begging Mueller...

      It's a huge deal. I think A LOT is going to come out during Manafort's sentencing and by the end of it people who've been on the side of the Trump admin all along are going to be begging Mueller to start arresting folks higher up the food chain.

      2 votes