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Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes denied visa to tour Australia with 'The Deplorables'
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- Title
- Far-right campaigner Gavin McInnes denied visa on character grounds
- Published
- Nov 30 2018
- Word count
- 595 words
I was thinking about doing a big recap post of the whole recent saga of the Proud Boys, but everyday there has been more news coming from them that I keep putting it off. The Proud Boys are just fascinating to me in and their recent self destruction has been hilarious.
Their slow motion downfall really began a couple weeks ago when the FBI designated them as an "extremist group with ties to white nationalism."
This FBI designation had a lot to do with the fact that earlier this summer the Proud Boys were involved in a number of violent attacks across the country, which led to several members being arrested.
The Proud Boys engage in so much violence, because they are required to get into a fight for the cause to advance to the organization's highest level.
The other three levels are that they have to declare themselves a proud boy, have to stop masturbating, and have to survive a beat-in while reciting five popular cereal brands. [Yes, seriously]
So going back to recent events, the Proud Boys held a rally in Philadelphia where only about a dozen of them showed up, compared to several hundred counter protestors. The best part though is that the Philly ubers and taxis refused to pick them up afterwards, so they were forced to walk home.
Just last week, following this rash of bad news, Gavin McInnes announced via a YouTube video that he was disavowing the Proud Boys, though he acknowledged in the video that he was doing so as his legal team said it could help alleviate the sentencing of the several Proud Boys arrested in New York City in the attack linked above.
Due to the crisis of leadership with Gavin gone, along with most of their other high profile members under arrest, the remaining Proud Boys tried to re-establish themselves with new leadership and bylaws, with the most notable changes being they can no longer punch eachother in the head during their beat in,
there is less jerking off allowedthey can now jerk off one time a month (edit thanks @luna), they can't try to bang each others girlfriends, and they tried to downplay their acts of violence against other groups.However, being that this is the Proud Boys, it would not be complete without another self-own. In their bylaws document sent out to the media, theytried to black out their new leadership's names "The Elders." However, they tried to do so with black highlighter, that can actually be read by simply highlighting the text. So they ended up actually doxxing all of their new leadership.
The Proud Boys are a hilarious mess and I look forward to seeing where it goes from here.
That failed redaction story is hilarious. Guess all those "beat ins" weren't too healthy on the old noggin, eh?
I'm confused, how can there be any less jerking off allowed? Or do they allow some masturbation now?
Excellent writeup, I never knew what a shitfest the Proud Boys really were, I just knew Gavin was the head of them and they tended to cause trouble wherever they went.
Edit: I read the article, and they can masturbate now...
This is hilarious.
The whole obsession with not masturbation thing with the Proud Boys is so weird to me.
I understand that they are all pretty strict people that believe in the cult of /r/nofap, and that by not masturbating they gain some sort of increased masculinity. It plays into their broader beliefs of being super macho and aggressive and its all just hilariously bizzare.
edit: here is what their old join us page said about #NoWanks
https://web.archive.org/web/20181031023050/http://proudboysusa.com/joinus/
It warms my heart to see these kids being massive fuckups.
Why would you give a claimed "former" leader of an extremist group a visa to visit your country? Why would it be news that such a person would be denied?
Because he was coming here on a well-promoted speaking tour? Because our default position is to give visa to visitors - and refusing a visa is an exception?
So if an ISIS leader promotes a speaking tour, Australia would let them in? I'd expect them to be locked up.
To be honest, I'm Canadian. I've never supported my government allowing foreign extremists to abuse Canadian citizenship, whether Scot or Somali. He and his anchor babies should be deported forthwith.
I get what you are trying to say but I don't think its a realistic expectation that he would be treated the same as an ISIS leader. He's a White Nationalist, with White being the operative word. His skin gives him the privilege to spew his bullshit and pass it off as a fringe but legitimate political position in the "western world" in a way that a Boko Haram leader would never be allowed. White privilege is starting a terrorist group and getting denied a visa to Australia instead of being tortured at Gitmo. Let's not forget that he isn't starting from zero with his white supremacy movement, systems of white supremacy are built into our governments and our culture. That is why Australia doing the right thing is news worthy.
I'm not quite sure how you got that from either my comment or this news article.
As the article mentions a couple of times, there is a character test involved before issuing someone with a visa. Here's the relevant legislation:
The Minister for Home Affairs may deny a visa to any person if the Minister believes they are not of good character.
In most cases, this is just a formality. The Minister doesn't even handle most visa applications. These are handled by officials in the Home Affairs department, and they process the visa applications as a routine part of their jobs ("Next, please!").
However, in some cases, the Minister can and does intervene personally - as happened here. Someone started a petition against Gavin McInnes' entry to Australia, this petition was provided to the Minister for Home Affairs, and Minister Peter Dutton decided not to issue a visa to Mr McInnes on the basis that he did not have a good character.
That's why this is newsworthy. The Minister does not normally step in to what is otherwise a routine matter (issuing visas) to ban someone entering Australia. Also, the person being banned has something of a high profile.
There's nothing in this story or discussion to indicate that an ISIS leader would have their visa application approved. Rather than being treated as a routine entry to Australia, this would almost certainly be escalated to the Minister for Home Affairs for a personal ruling. And, if the ISIS leader was not an Australian citizen, I'm pretty sure that Peter Dutton is going to give a big fat "no". However, if the ISIS leader was an Australian citizen, they'd be rushed to Australia as fast as possible, in order to charge them with terrorism offences.
EDIT: So many typos!