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George H.W. Bush, 41st president of the United States, dies at 94

35 comments

  1. [30]
    deadaluspark Link
    I really do not intend to say this with malice or upset my fellow users, but for real, to change a Killer Mike quote... I'm glad Bush is dead.
    18 votes
    1. [14]
      Nmg Link Parent
      Yeesh, seriously? Look, I have never voted Republican, but isn't it enough to wish that someone doesn't have political power, why do you have to wish them to be dead, too? Was he insensitive to...

      Yeesh, seriously?

      Look, I have never voted Republican, but isn't it enough to wish that someone doesn't have political power, why do you have to wish them to be dead, too?

      Was he insensitive to the lives of Iranian civilians? Yes.
      Should he have apologized for the incident and for his comment? Yes.
      Did he deserve to die for it? No.

      15 votes
      1. [13]
        demifiend Link Parent
        Bush got to die of old age. Those 290 civilians aboard that Iran Air flight weren't so privileged, but heaven forbid we "speak ill of the dead".

        Bush got to die of old age. Those 290 civilians aboard that Iran Air flight weren't so privileged, but heaven forbid we "speak ill of the dead".

        26 votes
        1. [5]
          spit-evil-olive-tips Link Parent
          He also said he wasn't really sure whether atheists were really patriotic citizens or not. I saw this quote somewhere after Antonin Scalia's death, and it seems applicable here as well - "if he...

          He also said he wasn't really sure whether atheists were really patriotic citizens or not.

          I saw this quote somewhere after Antonin Scalia's death, and it seems applicable here as well - "if he wanted more respect in death he should have been more respectful in life".

          18 votes
          1. Nmg Link Parent
            That quotation is more of a reflection of what to expect from others rather than a prescription on how one should behave...

            That quotation is more of a reflection of what to expect from others rather than a prescription on how one should behave...

            4 votes
          2. emdash Link Parent
            What a bizarre & fallacious comment. There's a difference between "respect" and being "glad" for someone's death. I don't respect Scalia; but I wouldn't be glad for his death.

            What a bizarre & fallacious comment. There's a difference between "respect" and being "glad" for someone's death. I don't respect Scalia; but I wouldn't be glad for his death.

            3 votes
          3. demifiend Link Parent
            I know. His crack about atheists is why I'm glad he's dead.

            I know. His crack about atheists is why I'm glad he's dead.

            3 votes
          4. clone1 Link Parent
            I don't like the man. I don't like his policies. But i'm also a decent fucking human being and I would not wish for him to die because of them.

            I don't like the man. I don't like his policies. But i'm also a decent fucking human being and I would not wish for him to die because of them.

            2 votes
        2. yellow Link Parent
          Nmg wasn't saying 'don't speak poorly of H.W.' They were saying that it's messed up to celebrate the death of someone. You can say all the things wrong with someone and how much you dislike them...

          Nmg wasn't saying 'don't speak poorly of H.W.' They were saying that it's messed up to celebrate the death of someone. You can say all the things wrong with someone and how much you dislike them without saying you want them dead.

          10 votes
        3. [6]
          Nmg Link Parent
          Yes, criticize HW Bush post-mortem. Yes, wish that he hadn't made mistakes that he did. No, do not celebrate his death...

          Yes, criticize HW Bush post-mortem.

          Yes, wish that he hadn't made mistakes that he did.

          No, do not celebrate his death...

          5 votes
          1. [2]
            no_exit Link Parent
            Deliberate actions that were never acknowledged as a 'mistake' or that didn't result in measures taken by a person to demonstrate their commitment to never making a similar 'mistake' again do not...

            mistakes

            Deliberate actions that were never acknowledged as a 'mistake' or that didn't result in measures taken by a person to demonstrate their commitment to never making a similar 'mistake' again do not qualify for that label, and there's no reason to retroactively whitewash them through a moral lens the person in question did not possess.

            8 votes
            1. Nmg Link Parent
              You misinterpreted my comment. I never said he acknowledged specific actions as mistakes.

              You misinterpreted my comment. I never said he acknowledged specific actions as mistakes.

          2. housemeat Link Parent
            Watch me. I'm glad he's dead, and good riddance -- my only regret is that he died of old age and not something else.

            No, do not celebrate his death...

            Watch me. I'm glad he's dead, and good riddance -- my only regret is that he died of old age and not something else.

            5 votes
          3. [2]
            Whom Link Parent
            Question: Do you apply this across the board? Do you get mad at the families of someone who was murdered for being glad that the murderer dies somehow? For any prominent politician, you can find...

            Question: Do you apply this across the board? Do you get mad at the families of someone who was murdered for being glad that the murderer dies somehow? For any prominent politician, you can find people whose lives were absolutely ruined or ended by things that they did or neglected to do.

            If you do get mad at those people, I consider that very insensitive and wrong, but at least there's consistency. If you don't, then what's the difference here?

            4 votes
            1. Nmg Link Parent
              I don't get mad that much in general, but I think it is preferable that someone who commits a crime ultimately understand the gravity of their actions and attempt to grow to become a better person...

              I don't get mad that much in general, but I think it is preferable that someone who commits a crime ultimately understand the gravity of their actions and attempt to grow to become a better person and make up for their mistake to the best of their abilities.

              The same principle applies for a neglectful politician, with the caveat that they should be stripped of their powers or resign if their actions are sufficiently neglectful and a more qualified person could have avoided their mistakes.

              These principles are not how I view the way the world is, rather than a general outline of how I think the world could be better.

              4 votes
    2. [9]
      emdash Link Parent
      How does "I'm glad Obama is dead." sound? Pretty rude if I'd say so myself. Look, I'm as leftist as they come, but being "glad" for someone's death—excepting the rare case of a few dictators—is...

      How does "I'm glad Obama is dead." sound? Pretty rude if I'd say so myself. Look, I'm as leftist as they come, but being "glad" for someone's death—excepting the rare case of a few dictators—is downright malicious & subhuman, regardless of what you say.

      12 votes
      1. [3]
        Whom Link Parent
        So you agree that someone can be a bad enough human being that it's okay to be glad for their death. Isn't the question then how bad Bush was, not a blanket statement about being glad for the...

        excepting the rare case of a few dictators

        So you agree that someone can be a bad enough human being that it's okay to be glad for their death. Isn't the question then how bad Bush was, not a blanket statement about being glad for the death of people?

        10 votes
        1. [2]
          emdash Link Parent
          Opinion ahead: No U.S. president has ever met the mark where I'd be "glad" to see them die; clearly some Tildes users are slightly more reactionary. But that's the great thing about opinions isn't...

          Opinion ahead: No U.S. president has ever met the mark where I'd be "glad" to see them die; clearly some Tildes users are slightly more reactionary. But that's the great thing about opinions isn't it? It's all meaningless because every person and their dog has their own.

          So consider this my pointless little broadcast to the Tildsean-universe than I'm not a hyperreactional person regarding political topics.

          2 votes
          1. Whom Link Parent
            Okay. I strongly disagree with you, but I didn't want to argue there. I just wanted to make it clear that the issue is where that line is drawn and you did that.

            Okay. I strongly disagree with you, but I didn't want to argue there. I just wanted to make it clear that the issue is where that line is drawn and you did that.

            9 votes
      2. [5]
        spit-evil-olive-tips Link Parent
        Pretty rude? Someone saying "I'm glad Obama is dead" would be pretty rude, in your opinion? 2007: Ted Nugent Threatens to Kill Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton During Vicious Onstage Rant 2008: Two...

        How does "I'm glad Obama is dead." sound? Pretty rude if I'd say so myself.

        Pretty rude? Someone saying "I'm glad Obama is dead" would be pretty rude, in your opinion?

        2007: Ted Nugent Threatens to Kill Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton During Vicious Onstage Rant

        2008: Two arrested after Obama effigy found on campus

        2010: Barack Obama effigy hanged in Georgia

        2016: Fan in Trump mask holds noose around fan in Obama mask at Wisconsin game

        And those are just the ones that turned up with quick googling.

        8+ years of people hanging Obama effigies...but saying "I'm glad Bush is dead" is rude.

        8 votes
        1. piedpiper Link Parent
          Maybe both are rude?

          Maybe both are rude?

          21 votes
        2. emdash Link Parent
          You're taking a literal interpretation of my comment which was meant to be an absolute understatement. Of course it's rude. It's beyond rude. And irregardless, what point are you trying to make...

          You're taking a literal interpretation of my comment which was meant to be an absolute understatement. Of course it's rude. It's beyond rude. And irregardless, what point are you trying to make here, exactly? Apart from proving the exact same point I'm trying to make?

          Extremist views & ideologies which encourage or otherwise result in people being "glad" for the deaths of others have no place in public discourse, let alone Tildes.

          11 votes
        3. Nmg Link Parent
          Saying I'm glad anyone is dead is rude in most scenarios.

          Saying I'm glad anyone is dead is rude in most scenarios.

          9 votes
        4. BuckeyeSundae Link Parent
          This seems like whataboutism.

          This seems like whataboutism.

          2 votes
    3. [4]
      Wes Link Parent
      This horrifying comment is the "top comment" of this thread? Losing a lot of respect for this community today.

      This horrifying comment is the "top comment" of this thread? Losing a lot of respect for this community today.

      9 votes
      1. SheepWolf Link Parent
        To be fair, there are only 2 top level comments in this post. This one and the one by dubteedub with a twitter link.

        To be fair, there are only 2 top level comments in this post. This one and the one by dubteedub with a twitter link.

        1 vote
      2. [2]
        emdash Link Parent
        Offtopic: Does the malice tag have any automatic effects yet, or is it at the discretion of @Deimos, currently? I've applied it a few times recently and haven't seen any effects from my actions yet.

        Offtopic: Does the malice tag have any automatic effects yet, or is it at the discretion of @Deimos, currently? I've applied it a few times recently and haven't seen any effects from my actions yet.

        2 votes
    4. Phlegmatic Link Parent
      How can saying that you're glad someone's dead not be malicious?

      How can saying that you're glad someone's dead not be malicious?

      6 votes
    5. clone1 Link Parent
      You can not like someone's policies. You can be glad they are no longer in office. You can criticize them, even on the day they die. But being glad someone is dead is pretty assholish behavior.

      You can not like someone's policies. You can be glad they are no longer in office. You can criticize them, even on the day they die. But being glad someone is dead is pretty assholish behavior.

      2 votes
  2. [5]
    dubteedub Link
    This is about the best take on HW that I have seen on Twitter from ThinkProgress' Iam Millhiser https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1068901049321381888?s=09

    This is about the best take on HW that I have seen on Twitter from ThinkProgress' Iam Millhiser

    So here’s my eulogy of HW.

    He signed the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1991, good laws that today’s Republicans would call communism.

    He also appointed Clarence Thomas, who thinks that everything good about the last 80 years is unconstitutional.

    https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1068901049321381888?s=09

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      Nmg Link Parent
      Isn't this a bit of an overreaction? It's not like Republicans today are trying to repeal those laws.

      He signed the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1991, good laws that today’s Republicans would call communism.

      Isn't this a bit of an overreaction? It's not like Republicans today are trying to repeal those laws.

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        deadaluspark Link Parent
        No, they just continue to add, piecemeal, more and more reasons to deny people disabilities protections, for example. Or they help keep the funding low enough to essentially keep people with...

        No, they just continue to add, piecemeal, more and more reasons to deny people disabilities protections, for example. Or they help keep the funding low enough to essentially keep people with disabilities on the streets. I mean, just look at the cuts and what they would affect in the Trump administration budgets. Or just look at the House passing a bill that would allow businesses to discriminate against those with disabilities until there is a complaint filed. So, free to discriminate until someone notices, then something might get done.

        The next time you think about or talk about the severe homelessness crisis that is plaguing the country, you can thank Republicans and their continued gutting of such acts.

        Why?

        Because a vast number of those homeless people are actively collecting disability benefits but cannot afford to find a place to live. I know a few of these in my own city.

        18 votes
        1. Nmg Link Parent
          Learn something new every day.

          Learn something new every day.

          3 votes