He also said he wasn't really sure whether atheists were really patriotic citizens or not. I saw this quote somewhere after Antonin Scalia's death, and it seems applicable here as well - "if he...
He also said he wasn't really sure whether atheists were really patriotic citizens or not.
I saw this quote somewhere after Antonin Scalia's death, and it seems applicable here as well - "if he wanted more respect in death he should have been more respectful in life".
What a bizarre & fallacious comment. There's a difference between "respect" and being "glad" for someone's death. I don't respect Scalia; but I wouldn't be glad for his death.
What a bizarre & fallacious comment. There's a difference between "respect" and being "glad" for someone's death. I don't respect Scalia; but I wouldn't be glad for his death.
Nmg wasn't saying 'don't speak poorly of H.W.' They were saying that it's messed up to celebrate the death of someone. You can say all the things wrong with someone and how much you dislike them...
Nmg wasn't saying 'don't speak poorly of H.W.' They were saying that it's messed up to celebrate the death of someone. You can say all the things wrong with someone and how much you dislike them without saying you want them dead.
Question: Do you apply this across the board? Do you get mad at the families of someone who was murdered for being glad that the murderer dies somehow? For any prominent politician, you can find...
Question: Do you apply this across the board? Do you get mad at the families of someone who was murdered for being glad that the murderer dies somehow? For any prominent politician, you can find people whose lives were absolutely ruined or ended by things that they did or neglected to do.
If you do get mad at those people, I consider that very insensitive and wrong, but at least there's consistency. If you don't, then what's the difference here?
How does "I'm glad Obama is dead." sound? Pretty rude if I'd say so myself. Look, I'm as leftist as they come, but being "glad" for someone's death—excepting the rare case of a few dictators—is...
How does "I'm glad Obama is dead." sound? Pretty rude if I'd say so myself. Look, I'm as leftist as they come, but being "glad" for someone's death—excepting the rare case of a few dictators—is downright malicious & subhuman, regardless of what you say.
So you agree that someone can be a bad enough human being that it's okay to be glad for their death. Isn't the question then how bad Bush was, not a blanket statement about being glad for the...
excepting the rare case of a few dictators
So you agree that someone can be a bad enough human being that it's okay to be glad for their death. Isn't the question then how bad Bush was, not a blanket statement about being glad for the death of people?
Opinion ahead: No U.S. president has ever met the mark where I'd be "glad" to see them die; clearly some Tildes users are slightly more reactionary. But that's the great thing about opinions isn't...
Opinion ahead: No U.S. president has ever met the mark where I'd be "glad" to see them die; clearly some Tildes users are slightly more reactionary. But that's the great thing about opinions isn't it? It's all meaningless because every person and their dog has their own.
So consider this my pointless little broadcast to the Tildsean-universe than I'm not a hyperreactional person regarding political topics.
Okay. I strongly disagree with you, but I didn't want to argue there. I just wanted to make it clear that the issue is where that line is drawn and you did that.
Okay. I strongly disagree with you, but I didn't want to argue there. I just wanted to make it clear that the issue is where that line is drawn and you did that.
Pretty rude? Someone saying "I'm glad Obama is dead" would be pretty rude, in your opinion? 2007: Ted Nugent Threatens to Kill Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton During Vicious Onstage Rant 2008: Two...
How does "I'm glad Obama is dead." sound? Pretty rude if I'd say so myself.
Pretty rude? Someone saying "I'm glad Obama is dead" would be pretty rude, in your opinion?
You're taking a literal interpretation of my comment which was meant to be an absolute understatement. Of course it's rude. It's beyond rude. And irregardless, what point are you trying to make...
You're taking a literal interpretation of my comment which was meant to be an absolute understatement. Of course it's rude. It's beyond rude. And irregardless, what point are you trying to make here, exactly? Apart from proving the exact same point I'm trying to make?
Extremist views & ideologies which encourage or otherwise result in people being "glad" for the deaths of others have no place in public discourse, let alone Tildes.
Offtopic: Does the malice tag have any automatic effects yet, or is it at the discretion of @Deimos, currently? I've applied it a few times recently and haven't seen any effects from my actions yet.
Offtopic: Does the malice tag have any automatic effects yet, or is it at the discretion of @Deimos, currently? I've applied it a few times recently and haven't seen any effects from my actions yet.
You can not like someone's policies. You can be glad they are no longer in office. You can criticize them, even on the day they die. But being glad someone is dead is pretty assholish behavior.
You can not like someone's policies. You can be glad they are no longer in office. You can criticize them, even on the day they die. But being glad someone is dead is pretty assholish behavior.
Mehdi Hasan gave a nice appraisal https://theintercept.com/2018/12/01/the-ignored-legacy-of-george-h-w-bush-war-crimes-racism-and-obstruction-of-justice/
Bush got to die of old age. Those 290 civilians aboard that Iran Air flight weren't so privileged, but heaven forbid we "speak ill of the dead".
He also said he wasn't really sure whether atheists were really patriotic citizens or not.
I saw this quote somewhere after Antonin Scalia's death, and it seems applicable here as well - "if he wanted more respect in death he should have been more respectful in life".
What a bizarre & fallacious comment. There's a difference between "respect" and being "glad" for someone's death. I don't respect Scalia; but I wouldn't be glad for his death.
I know. His crack about atheists is why I'm glad he's dead.
I don't like the man. I don't like his policies. But i'm also a decent fucking human being and I would not wish for him to die because of them.
Nmg wasn't saying 'don't speak poorly of H.W.' They were saying that it's messed up to celebrate the death of someone. You can say all the things wrong with someone and how much you dislike them without saying you want them dead.
Question: Do you apply this across the board? Do you get mad at the families of someone who was murdered for being glad that the murderer dies somehow? For any prominent politician, you can find people whose lives were absolutely ruined or ended by things that they did or neglected to do.
If you do get mad at those people, I consider that very insensitive and wrong, but at least there's consistency. If you don't, then what's the difference here?
How does "I'm glad Obama is dead." sound? Pretty rude if I'd say so myself. Look, I'm as leftist as they come, but being "glad" for someone's death—excepting the rare case of a few dictators—is downright malicious & subhuman, regardless of what you say.
So you agree that someone can be a bad enough human being that it's okay to be glad for their death. Isn't the question then how bad Bush was, not a blanket statement about being glad for the death of people?
Opinion ahead: No U.S. president has ever met the mark where I'd be "glad" to see them die; clearly some Tildes users are slightly more reactionary. But that's the great thing about opinions isn't it? It's all meaningless because every person and their dog has their own.
So consider this my pointless little broadcast to the Tildsean-universe than I'm not a hyperreactional person regarding political topics.
Okay. I strongly disagree with you, but I didn't want to argue there. I just wanted to make it clear that the issue is where that line is drawn and you did that.
Pretty rude? Someone saying "I'm glad Obama is dead" would be pretty rude, in your opinion?
2007: Ted Nugent Threatens to Kill Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton During Vicious Onstage Rant
2008: Two arrested after Obama effigy found on campus
2010: Barack Obama effigy hanged in Georgia
2016: Fan in Trump mask holds noose around fan in Obama mask at Wisconsin game
And those are just the ones that turned up with quick googling.
8+ years of people hanging Obama effigies...but saying "I'm glad Bush is dead" is rude.
Maybe both are rude?
You're taking a literal interpretation of my comment which was meant to be an absolute understatement. Of course it's rude. It's beyond rude. And irregardless, what point are you trying to make here, exactly? Apart from proving the exact same point I'm trying to make?
Extremist views & ideologies which encourage or otherwise result in people being "glad" for the deaths of others have no place in public discourse, let alone Tildes.
This seems like whataboutism.
This horrifying comment is the "top comment" of this thread? Losing a lot of respect for this community today.
To be fair, there are only 2 top level comments in this post. This one and the one by dubteedub with a twitter link.
Offtopic: Does the
malicetag have any automatic effects yet, or is it at the discretion of @Deimos, currently? I've applied it a few times recently and haven't seen any effects from my actions yet.It looks like Deimos gets an alert, and nothing else happens.
How can saying that you're glad someone's dead not be malicious?
You can not like someone's policies. You can be glad they are no longer in office. You can criticize them, even on the day they die. But being glad someone is dead is pretty assholish behavior.
Mehdi Hasan gave a nice appraisal
https://theintercept.com/2018/12/01/the-ignored-legacy-of-george-h-w-bush-war-crimes-racism-and-obstruction-of-justice/