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As Possible Rivals Pass On 2020 Race, Biden May See A Path Clearing

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    1. emdash Link Parent
      The even worse scenario is it significantly fragments the Democratic base, Biden manages a Hillary, gets the nomination, leading to low primary turnout and another 4 years of Trump...

      Biden’s campaign will get smacked down hard if he even runs. Count on it.

      The even worse scenario is it significantly fragments the Democratic base, Biden manages a Hillary, gets the nomination, leading to low primary turnout and another 4 years of Trump presidency—while climate change begins to really take grip.

      I'd find it hard to support any nominee who doesn't have managing climate change as a national & international crisis as their number one priority.

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    Policy-wise, I can't think of a single thing Biden has accomplished or is known for. I can't tell you his vision or what he stands for. "I'm milquetoast and I worked with Obama" is not a winning...

    Policy-wise, I can't think of a single thing Biden has accomplished or is known for. I can't tell you his vision or what he stands for. "I'm milquetoast and I worked with Obama" is not a winning pitch in a crowded field. He's also got some serious baggage to answer for with his behavior during the civil rights movement when he fought for a status quo of segregated schools.

    I'm not sure he could beat Donald Trump either, which is the most important factor for getting my vote in the Democratic primary.

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    I think this is the key. I suspect that a lot of Democratic candidates are going to harp on how awful the Trump administration has been as cornerstones of their campaigns, but this is low-hanging...

    "It's not that Joe Biden can't reach across the entire Democratic spectrum, because he can. He's liked and respected by all elements within the Democratic Party. I think it is about his agenda and his outlook," Hart said. "If his outlook is the head that's turning behind or back, versus the forward-looking outlook, I think he's going to have a hard time. Because this is about tomorrow — it's not going to be about yesterday."

    I think this is the key. I suspect that a lot of Democratic candidates are going to harp on how awful the Trump administration has been as cornerstones of their campaigns, but this is low-hanging fruit. What it doesn't offer is something to get excited about; what the Democratic Party really needs right now is a candidate to believe in, not just one who can counter the absurdity of the current term. Obama's "Hope" poster is one of the greatest icons I've seen in years. If Biden can give us something like that, I think it would give him enough momentum among Democrats (and perhaps across the aisle) to win not just the primary, but the general election as well.

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    1. alyaza Link Parent
      he's probably already lost then, because biden is about as vibrant as a piece of uncooked meat and he has an awful fucking track record that is going to dog literally everything he does. i have...

      If Biden can give us something like that, I think it would give him enough momentum among Democrats (and perhaps across the aisle) to win not just the primary, but the general election as well.

      he's probably already lost then, because biden is about as vibrant as a piece of uncooked meat and he has an awful fucking track record that is going to dog literally everything he does. i have long maintained that he is basically tethered to actually being relevant only because of his name and not because of anything he stands for, and i suspect that this will become evident the moment he jumps into the race and has to actually defend his vision (which is further to the right of every candidate in the race so far and already seems to include calling mike pence a good guy, which is sure to make people sympathetic to him)

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  4. planetJane Link
    Yeah, I don't know. Broadly, I agree with @Yugioh_Mishima. I didn't even know that Holder planned to run, and I am only dimly aware of who Sherrod Brown is. I think Biden's main advantages, such...

    Yeah, I don't know. Broadly, I agree with @Yugioh_Mishima. I didn't even know that Holder planned to run, and I am only dimly aware of who Sherrod Brown is.

    I think Biden's main advantages, such that they are, is that he's not offensive to the more conservative wing of the democratic party, and that he has name recognition. Which of course he does, he's the former VP. I don't think that that's really something that's gonna get a good campaign running. Not on its own.

    I'm less hard on Biden than I think many people of my general political alignment are. I think his heart's probably in the generally correct place, but he overemphasizes "reaching across the aisle" which is not something people care about right now, and as this very article points out, he's prone to running his mouth. Neither of these are things you really wanna carry into a hypothetical primary election vs. Trump.

    I guess I'm just echoing what other people are saying here but we really do need someone to believe in. When I cast my vote next November, I don't want to have to drag myself to the voting booth feeling like a scuzzbucket because I'm voting for Yet Another Establishment Politician. I think the hopeful message thing is something that people like Booker, Warren, and Castro (hell, even Sanders and Yang, who I don't much like) understand. I'm not crazy keen on any of the people I just mentioned, but I'd still be much more behind them than I would Biden.

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