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Court Says Using Chalk On Tires For Parking Enforcement Violates Constitution

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  1. [2]
    aphoenix
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    A tl;dr - someone who repeatedly breaks the law successfully finds a loophole, wasting the time of everyone involved. Potential results: no more free parking photography (arguably more invasive...
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    A tl;dr - someone who repeatedly breaks the law successfully finds a loophole, wasting the time of everyone involved.

    Potential results:

    • no more free parking
    • photography (arguably more invasive and less detectable)
    • judicial time wasted

    I'm reminded of "Liar, Liar" when Jim Carrey picks up the phone and yells, "Stop breaking the law, asshole."

    12 votes
    1. nic
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      I think all three results you mentioned are likely. The ruling will continue to be litigated. If the original ruling is upheld we will likely see more restrictions on free parking and increased...

      I think all three results you mentioned are likely.

      The ruling will continue to be litigated.

      If the original ruling is upheld we will likely see more restrictions on free parking and increased investment in automated cameras that programmatically read license plates.

      We all know that license plate database will be used for much more than issuing parking tickets.

      4 votes
  2. [4]
    Rocket_Man
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    I understand they are technically correct. But focusing on a technicality to make it more difficult for parking enforcement to do their job seems petty.

    I understand they are technically correct. But focusing on a technicality to make it more difficult for parking enforcement to do their job seems petty.

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      blake
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      Fight for every right, no matter how small and "petty".

      Fight for every right, no matter how small and "petty".

      2 votes
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        alyaza
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        it's too bad that this will, as @nic just mentioned upthread, probably actually lead to more egregious surveillance and not any sort of actual freedom or liberation of rights. they're almost...

        it's too bad that this will, as @nic just mentioned upthread, probably actually lead to more egregious surveillance and not any sort of actual freedom or liberation of rights. they're almost certainly just going to use license plate scanners and photographs and other things which leave permanent paper trails of who you are in place of this, leaving themselves with more data to leverage against you in the future, and the people with less leverage to police and address abuses of the system because such things will just be covert now and you probably won't even realize they're happening.

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        1. blake
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          That's a good point! I do believe that is a different and inevitable fight however.

          That's a good point! I do believe that is a different and inevitable fight however.

  3. Catt
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    Very interesting. I'm in Canada and peace officers here both chalk and take photos. I actually prefer the chalk, as it's works as a bit of a warning, whereas you can't tell if someone took a photo.

    Very interesting. I'm in Canada and peace officers here both chalk and take photos. I actually prefer the chalk, as it's works as a bit of a warning, whereas you can't tell if someone took a photo.

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  4. rkcr
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    After thinking on this for a bit, couldn't you just chalk the spot right in front of the tire? Slightly more cumbersome, but hey, better than taking photos all the time...

    After thinking on this for a bit, couldn't you just chalk the spot right in front of the tire? Slightly more cumbersome, but hey, better than taking photos all the time...

    1 vote
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    Diet_Coke
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    IMO anything that makes parking enforcement more difficult is a win for the rest of us. Parking enforcement is basically everything people hate about the government, personified. It is an...

    IMO anything that makes parking enforcement more difficult is a win for the rest of us. Parking enforcement is basically everything people hate about the government, personified. It is an arbitrary-feeling inconvenience, often existing as an extra, hidden tax. My cut, for example, added five new parking enforcement personnel and reduced free parking areas to about raising property taxes more. Add to that most cities in the US have poor public transportation and even poorer cycling infrastructure so there is often not much option except to park. Parking signs can be incredibly unclear and there is no good way to defend yourself - court costs are high enough that contesting a ticket is a losing proposition even if you are successful. Don't even get me started on the towing companies...

    1 vote
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      tildez
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      "Free" street parking is wildly expensive to society and is a shared public good that needs to actually be shared. Allowing someone to park their car in a public space for an indefinite amount of...

      "Free" street parking is wildly expensive to society and is a shared public good that needs to actually be shared. Allowing someone to park their car in a public space for an indefinite amount of time breaks the contract and ruins the system.

      19 votes
      1. Diet_Coke
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        There are ways to limit use of public parking that are less problematic than hourly parking limits. Some streets near me don't allow parking from 7am - 9am or 4pm - 6pm, or one day a week in the...

        There are ways to limit use of public parking that are less problematic than hourly parking limits. Some streets near me don't allow parking from 7am - 9am or 4pm - 6pm, or one day a week in the middle of the day for a couple hours. My own street is free unlimited parking except once every couple months for street cleaning and it works just fine. I've lived in other (more low-income/student) areas of the city without much free parking and it just an expensive, random surprise tax.

        2 votes