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Trump Says He Will Seek Citizenship Information From Existing Federal Records, Not the Census

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    moriarty (edited ) Link
    That's how it began in Israel. This was the rhetorics used by Netanyahu to justify scapegoating and disenfranchising the left. Newspapers, actors, teachers, writers, left wingers and now even some...

    “The only people who are not proud to be citizens are the ones who are fighting us all the way about the word ‘citizen,’” he added.

    That's how it began in Israel. This was the rhetorics used by Netanyahu to justify scapegoating and disenfranchising the left. Newspapers, actors, teachers, writers, left wingers and now even some of his former political allies are branded traitors. By turning everything to a "loyalty to the state" question, they will proceed to justify atrocious things

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    1. NaraVara Link Parent
      This has been the Republican Party's MO since 1994 at least. We're already there and have been there for some time. This is the main reason we got boondoggled into the Iraq War.

      This has been the Republican Party's MO since 1994 at least. We're already there and have been there for some time. This is the main reason we got boondoggled into the Iraq War.

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    gpl Link
    This played out pretty much exactly how I thought. This whole episode was really a master course in ineptitude from the administration. It is still concerning that this data is being centralized,...

    This played out pretty much exactly how I thought. This whole episode was really a master course in ineptitude from the administration. It is still concerning that this data is being centralized, since I can’t see what good would come of that. But at the least it can’t be used in congressional reapportionment.

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    1. MrGrey Link Parent
      Complete sourcing directly from my rear here, but I doubt he wouldn't be throwing more of a fit and hurling a wider variety of insults if he actually thought it was over. Whether the plan is a...

      Complete sourcing directly from my rear here, but I doubt he wouldn't be throwing more of a fit and hurling a wider variety of insults if he actually thought it was over. Whether the plan is a reality or not, someone likely told him there's a way to bring this up again probably during/after the count.

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    ubergeek Link
    So, he really thinks this data will change how districts are drawn up? lol. Really. Does he not realize states choose how to draw their own maps, and it's largely never about population...

    So, he really thinks this data will change how districts are drawn up?

    lol. Really.

    Does he not realize states choose how to draw their own maps, and it's largely never about population demographics, aside from which party has power, and wants to stay in power?

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      NaraVara Link Parent
      It doesn't have to just be about how districts are drawn up. Tons of federal dollars are apportioned by Census derived population counts. It wouldn't be impossible for the Republicans to pass...

      So, he really thinks this data will change how districts are drawn up?

      It doesn't have to just be about how districts are drawn up. Tons of federal dollars are apportioned by Census derived population counts. It wouldn't be impossible for the Republicans to pass bills that change the formula for such funding to be based on counts of citizens only. This would hit funding for programs like HeadStart, Medicaid, and public education as well as police and fire rescue, transportation, and tons of other things. It would basically create a ton of political pressure to cut immigrants off from access to things like public schools, public transit, emergency room care, etc.

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        ubergeek Link Parent
        True. However, Republicans wouldn't ever do it. Firstly, I think that would violate the apportionment clause, but for sake of argument, let's assume it doesn't... Take Texas, a pretty red...

        It wouldn't be impossible for the Republicans to pass bills that change the formula for such funding to be based on counts of citizens only

        True. However, Republicans wouldn't ever do it. Firstly, I think that would violate the apportionment clause, but for sake of argument, let's assume it doesn't...

        Take Texas, a pretty red district... Could you imagine if they apportioned by citizens only? The amount of funding Texas would lose would be quite substantial. Same with pretty much any border state.

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          NaraVara Link Parent
          Hasn't stopped them from voting for a wall which will certainly require eminent domain over a bunch of farm and ranch land. Promises to stick it to the illegals seem to motivate a lot of...

          Hasn't stopped them from voting for a wall which will certainly require eminent domain over a bunch of farm and ranch land. Promises to stick it to the illegals seem to motivate a lot of short-sighted spite votes. And usually this stuff is so opaque to voters they don't really consider it. Who sits and listens to minutiae about apportionment when there's culture war crap to get worked up about?

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