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Florida DMV sells personal information for drivers and ID cardholders to private companies and marketing firms, making over $77M in 2017

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  1. [4]
    reese
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    If only the Constitution guaranteed that the "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."...

    If only the Constitution guaranteed that the "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

    Too bad an amendment like that does not already exist or anything. Surely the FL DMV wouldn't just sell citizens' data to the highest bidder if doing so was belligerently illegal.

    4 votes
    1. [3]
      Deimos
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      I don't think that "search and seizure" would cover selling information that was willingly provided to the government. Do you know of anywhere that the Fourth Amendment has been used successfully...

      I don't think that "search and seizure" would cover selling information that was willingly provided to the government. Do you know of anywhere that the Fourth Amendment has been used successfully to prevent something similar?

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        reese
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        No. My point is that, if the spirit of the Fourth Amendment, or Bill of Rights in general, had ever been taken seriously, then we would have never reached a point where a state agency would ever...

        No. My point is that, if the spirit of the Fourth Amendment, or Bill of Rights in general, had ever been taken seriously, then we would have never reached a point where a state agency would ever sell citizens' data to private entities. It is so obvious that a government should never do that under any circumstance. In a sane alternate reality, anyone considering the idea would just assume that the potential legal ramifications of doing so is not worth the attempt.

        You say that people "willingly" provided the information to the government. I'm unaware of how one gets an ID / driver's license without providing information to the government. When I go to the DMV, I'm not implicitly giving them permission to sell my information by renewing my driver's license. Everyone knows that. Right now I'm posting publicly on Tildes, and willingly handing my information to you, and yet I suspect that you would not sell it. Why not?

        6 votes
        1. monarda
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          Your post brought these things to mind: As a US citizen, by law, I am required to have a SS# and a state ID. No one should have access to the information I am required to provide the state for...

          Your post brought these things to mind:

          As a US citizen, by law, I am required to have a SS# and a state ID. No one should have access to the information I am required to provide the state for these things unless I give permission to them to access it, or they have a warrant.

          That's what I first thought of when you when you wrote "in the spirit of the Fourth Amendment."

          Additionally, in order to participate in society, I am required to have a bank account, voter registration, utilities, and even a marriage license. It seems like if I am required to do something, then it should be protected, yes?

          The posted article really pissed me off. One because FU freaking Florida DMV, and two, what the heck is wrong with people that aren't outraged by the current state of our government's complete disregard for our privacy (not even getting into all the rest of THE MESS).

          4 votes
  2. HanakoIsBestGirl
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    And So what does the state consider to be an acceptable use of data sold to private companies? (Id hope no use) And what value could it even hold to a corporation if it cant be used for marketing?

    That’s because Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles said companies buying data on Floridians are not allowed to use that information for marketing.

    And

    The state told the I-Team it has banned data sales to three companies since 2017 for misusing driver and ID cardholder information.

    So what does the state consider to be an acceptable use of data sold to private companies? (Id hope no use) And what value could it even hold to a corporation if it cant be used for marketing?

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