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Indonesia moving to ban sex outside marriage

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  1. [3]
    welly
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    Another country to add to the "Do not visit" list. Sadly the Middle East and SE Asia is featuring high on that list. I'm curious as to what is causing this very conservative lean that we've been...

    Another country to add to the "Do not visit" list.

    Sadly the Middle East and SE Asia is featuring high on that list.

    I'm curious as to what is causing this very conservative lean that we've been experiencing in the past four or five years, not just in countries such as Indonesia but worldwide.

    Is it just cyclical? It feels a little like it is.

    7 votes
    1. nothis
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      Yea, it's frightening that it seems to be worldwide and it comes in all kinds of flavors. I think blaming Islamic fundamentalism is fair, maybe that also explains a counter-movement in Europe...

      Yea, it's frightening that it seems to be worldwide and it comes in all kinds of flavors. I think blaming Islamic fundamentalism is fair, maybe that also explains a counter-movement in Europe after the huge migration wave and a series of Islamist terror attacks (the right usually understand fear better than the left). But in America (both North and South) it's the same trend.

      Maybe it really is the internet? The right finally fully understands the medium (they're not early adopters by nature and it took them until ca. 2012) and they're great with propaganda. There's articles floating around that basically say that the "racist shit my grandparents share on facebook" kind of trend is global, even in poor countries which you might not guess have comprehensive internet coverage. I don't think this directly leads to banning sex outside marriage but indirectly, it might make fascism seem more attractive as an alternative to perceived "chaos", so there's less opposition and the people who genuinely want this can push their shit through.

      5 votes
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    unknown user
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    Tourists in Bali are unlikely to have much fun with this one. Also how on earth do they expect to police this?

    Tourists in Bali are unlikely to have much fun with this one. Also how on earth do they expect to police this?

    2 votes
    1. Greg
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      History would suggest "selectively, as a means to punish people who are disliked by those in power".

      Also how on earth do they expect to police this?

      History would suggest "selectively, as a means to punish people who are disliked by those in power".

      14 votes
    2. cfabbro
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      I despise Ayn Rand and her political philosophy, but one line from Atlas Shrugged has always stuck with me and I think it's appropriate here:

      I despise Ayn Rand and her political philosophy, but one line from Atlas Shrugged has always stuck with me and I think it's appropriate here:

      There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt.

      9 votes
    3. Algernon_Asimov
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      I read something elsewhere which talked about checking whether people sharing a hotel room are married or not.

      I read something elsewhere which talked about checking whether people sharing a hotel room are married or not.

      2 votes