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Second whistleblower comes forward after speaking with IG, has first-hand knowledge: Attorney

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    mike10010100
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    Looks like the dam is fully bursting. And this time it's firsthand knowledge. No more claims of "hearsay".

    Looks like the dam is fully bursting. And this time it's firsthand knowledge. No more claims of "hearsay".

    9 votes
    1. [9]
      reese
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      I believe Pelosi timed the thrust of the formal impeachment inquiry with a level of precision and grace enviable by a brain surgeon.

      I believe Pelosi timed the thrust of the formal impeachment inquiry with a level of precision and grace enviable by a brain surgeon.

      4 votes
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        mike10010100
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        And the progressive movement was collectively doubting her. It's almost hilarious how wrong we were, even I was doubting her strategy!

        And the progressive movement was collectively doubting her. It's almost hilarious how wrong we were, even I was doubting her strategy!

        5 votes
        1. [6]
          Loire
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          Not unusual for the American progressive. The fact that she didn't want to begin an impeachment inquiry without concrete evidence that goes beyond a shadow of a doubt should not have been a...

          It's almost hilarious how wrong we were

          Not unusual for the American progressive.

          The fact that she didn't want to begin an impeachment inquiry without concrete evidence that goes beyond a shadow of a doubt should not have been a troubling quality for progressives. It wasn't genius on Pelosi's part to wait for a whistleblower, it was typical progressive naivety to think anything short of a silver bullet would bring him down.

          This is a man that has dodged consequence for four decades, he is an expert at it. Now he has the Senate, half the Judiciary and 30-40% of American citizens that will defend him to the death. Hell, he somehow dodged a Special Investigation that essentially said he committed high crimes but can't be charged unless impeached, but the progressive wing wanted to try and impeach him for things half the American citizenry already knew and didn't care about? Every instance of impeachment in American history has failed to go all the way because it is incredibly tilted in the President's favour. He's not a Democrat to be taken down by a blowjob.

          The American political system is famously resilient to change. Until progressives get it in their heads that they need to play the game and stack incremental change in their favour, they are going to lose, again and again just as they did in the 20th century.

          7 votes
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            SantalBlush
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            We can say this now with the benefit of hindsight. But we had no evidence to suggest there would ever be a whistleblower or a "silver bullet". To pretend that Pelosi knew this would happen would...

            It wasn't genius on Pelosi's part to wait for a whistleblower, it was typical progressive naivety to think anything short of a silver bullet would bring him down.

            We can say this now with the benefit of hindsight. But we had no evidence to suggest there would ever be a whistleblower or a "silver bullet". To pretend that Pelosi knew this would happen would be revisionist to say the least.

            That being said, she took full advantage of the situation, to her credit.

            5 votes
            1. Omnicrola
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              I don't think she knew it was coming, I think she knew that unless something like this came along, trying to impeach Trump way probably not going to stick. So as you said, she recognized the...

              I don't think she knew it was coming, I think she knew that unless something like this came along, trying to impeach Trump way probably not going to stick.

              So as you said, she recognized the moment and hit the button. The combination of a pretty clear abuse of power, that is easily digestible in a soundbite, with growing support from the progressive base. There's still a chance he escapes impeachment, and it's almost a given that he won't be removed, but this is the best shot we're going to get. Even if he's not removed, hopefully there timing works out that he loses enough support running up to the election and gets voted out. And then he spends the rest of his life either in jail or living expat in a different country.

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            2. Loire
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              I'm not saying she knew more would come. I'm saying moving ahead without something of this gravity would have resulted in more nothing that Trump could spin in his favour. As I clearly stated...

              I'm not saying she knew more would come. I'm saying moving ahead without something of this gravity would have resulted in more nothing that Trump could spin in his favour.

              As I clearly stated Pelosi was no genius.

              She just knows how this game works.

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            3. mike10010100
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              Agreed. I personally think it was only a matter of time before someone turned on Trump, considering he only seems to keep sycophants and backstabbers in his orbit, but this is definitely one of...

              Agreed. I personally think it was only a matter of time before someone turned on Trump, considering he only seems to keep sycophants and backstabbers in his orbit, but this is definitely one of those opportunities that could not be missed.

              It's also possible that progressive pressure was finally coming to a head, seemingly just before the whistleblower report became news.

          2. AnthonyB
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            Progressives and Democrats do need to play the game, but what exactly is that game? Is it incremental change that Democrats and progressives should be after? Or do they just need to be better at...

            Progressives and Democrats do need to play the game, but what exactly is that game? Is it incremental change that Democrats and progressives should be after? Or do they just need to be better at politics in general? I've always been of the mind that change mostly takes place incrementally, but given the circumstances that the US is in, it seems like a radical shift is possible under the right kind of leadership. It's just that Democrats have the tendency to base their politics off of polls, rather than push the public in a particular direction through disciplined messaging like Republicans often do.

            We're giving Pelosi a lot of credit for her timing and discipline, but with the clusterfuck of corruption and incompetence that is the Trump administration, and the problems America faces, like income inequality, corporate corruption, rising healthcare costs, and the looming threat of climate change - problems that Republicans have shown little to no interst in solving - this should be a layup. Democrats just don't have the message discipline and can't seem to avoid purity tests and infighting which has prevented them from launching an effective attack against Trump. I firmly believe that if Democrats stuck to a simple but strong message against Trump, they could turn enough voters against him to make impeachment possible. Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen.

            5 votes
      2. tildez
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        Or she waited until her position was completely indefensible.

        Or she waited until her position was completely indefensible.

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    2. Meh
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      Dont you worry, they will come up with a different excuse as to why this is no big deal. It is kind of their specialty.

      Dont you worry, they will come up with a different excuse as to why this is no big deal. It is kind of their specialty.

      2 votes