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Hong Kong protests: President Xi warns of 'crushed bodies'

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  1. [8]
    sp00ky
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    I have a ominous feeling that something really bad is about to happen, and it could set the tone for a new dark chapter of history. I hope I’m wrong.

    I have a ominous feeling that something really bad is about to happen, and it could set the tone for a new dark chapter of history. I hope I’m wrong.

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    1. [4]
      Loire
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      How would the murder of protesters be any different than 1989? Or how is it any worse then the fact that China is extracting organs from live dissidents for its transplant industry? How is it any...

      How would the murder of protesters be any different than 1989? Or how is it any worse then the fact that China is extracting organs from live dissidents for its transplant industry? How is it any worse than China's long history of repressing and assimilating non-Han minorities?

      Nothing really bad is going to happen. Very bad stuff has been happening. We are in that dark chapter. It's been going on for years.

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      1. [2]
        Soptik
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        However this is the one that might be actually visible. Noone knows about transplantations or Uyghurs. However this could actually change how society looks at China, simmilary to 1989.

        However this is the one that might be actually visible.

        Noone knows about transplantations or Uyghurs. However this could actually change how society looks at China, simmilary to 1989.

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        1. ReapersGale
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          That may be dependent on location - the Falun Gong frequently have information booth's, petitions and marches in Australia regarding the organ transplants.

          Noone knows about transplantations or Uyghurs.

          That may be dependent on location - the Falun Gong frequently have information booth's, petitions and marches in Australia regarding the organ transplants.

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      2. sp00ky
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        Touché. My meaning was that the dark new chapter would be the expansion of everything you just mentioned into Hong Kong. And that would be a prelude to the Chinese Communist Party’s increasingly...

        Touché. My meaning was that the dark new chapter would be the expansion of everything you just mentioned into Hong Kong. And that would be a prelude to the Chinese Communist Party’s increasingly aggressive assault on the geopolitical supports for democracy and human rights. With America’s Trumpian retreat from the world stage, China will feel yet further empowered to assert itself outside its borders. Hong Kong is falling now (yes, technically inside China’s borders) and China’s sights will next be set on Taiwan. I do have a glimmer of hope that people in the rest of the world will join voices and denounce this dark version of the future. But it will take a lot for that glimmer to ignite.

        5 votes
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      yamada
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      Protestors are already being killed fighting neoliberal, US-backed governments in Haiti and Ecuador. This is nothing new and every world power does it. The hyper focus on China when there are...

      Protestors are already being killed fighting neoliberal, US-backed governments in Haiti and Ecuador. This is nothing new and every world power does it. The hyper focus on China when there are plenty of other countries doing this, this instant, is extremely strange and IMO shows massive anxiety in Westerners. It's honestly astonishing that the media has been dominated by the Hong Kong story but not a peep about Haiti, Ecuador, and the US-KSA genocide in Yemen, on top of maybe a week max of front page coverage of Kashmir. I don't doubt that next month people will be forgetting about Turkey/Rojava and will still be talking about Hong Kong despite like what, zero deaths so far?

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      1. sp00ky
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        You’re correct that the U.S. and some other “Western” countries deserve a lot of serious criticism, but that’s a sorry reason to ignore what is happening in China right now. And, taking the U.S....

        The hyper focus on China when there are plenty of other countries doing this, this instant, is extremely strange and IMO shows massive anxiety in Westerners.

        You’re correct that the U.S. and some other “Western” countries deserve a lot of serious criticism, but that’s a sorry reason to ignore what is happening in China right now. And, taking the U.S. as an example, there is still an opportunity for people to organize, rein in corporate influence on politics, and steer the government toward the principles and values it claims to stand on. There is no such option in China.

        So I do agree with you that China is not the only country with blood on its hands. But I disagree that this is a reason to simply look the other way. In fact, quite the opposite — Hong Kong’s Lady Liberty should be seen as a symbolic reminder that citizens of democratic countries have been irresponsible in taking their freedoms for granted. It is time to organize, to educate, to support each other (yes, even across borders), and speak up when democracy is being extinguished.

        It's honestly astonishing that the media has been dominated by the Hong Kong story but not a peep about Haiti, Ecuador, and the US-KSA genocide in Yemen...

        I absolutely agree with you here. The reckless irresponsibility of citizens in many democratic counties have allowed these things to happen. Just as with Hong Kong, we need to demand that people pay attention and work to prevent such shameful events in the future.

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      2. TheJorro
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        It's not extremely strange if you remember that there are far more direct Chinese influences and investments in the Western world, iconic Western properties have become directly embroiled in the...

        It's not extremely strange if you remember that there are far more direct Chinese influences and investments in the Western world, iconic Western properties have become directly embroiled in the Hong Kong situation, and Chinese tensions have been boiling in the west since the George W. Bush administration.

        4 votes