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Macabre Video of Fake Trump Shooting Media and Critics Is Shown at His Resort

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  1. [14]
    dubteedub
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    It is pretty interesting to me that this video is making the rounds again now considering it was first posted to /r/the_donald over a year ago and received thousands of upvotes at the time. There...

    It is pretty interesting to me that this video is making the rounds again now considering it was first posted to
    /r/the_donald over a year ago and received thousands of upvotes at the time. There is a ton of outrage over the video on Twitter, mostly from the media who are all being depicted as getting murdered in various ways in the video, but it is pretty par for the course for T_D memes that I have seen.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8vvltv/the_trumpsman_the_kingsman_parody/

    8 votes
    1. [12]
      papasquat
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      Just piece of meaningless content to make the rounds and feign outrage about. I'm tired of stuff like this getting so much attention, and predictably, every 24 hr media outlet dissects it to death...

      Just piece of meaningless content to make the rounds and feign outrage about. I'm tired of stuff like this getting so much attention, and predictably, every 24 hr media outlet dissects it to death despite it not being relevant to just about anything.

      CNN "called on trump to denounce the video" as well.
      Like, fuck off. You know he's not going to do that, and even if he did, what would that even accomplish? I wish they'd put some effort in and discuss actual policy and strategy every so often rather than this sideshow nonsense.

      12 votes
      1. [2]
        RapidEyeMovement
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        This type of repurposing a popular video clip with your own 'in group'/'out group' context has been happening on the internet since 2005. I personally find this one of the milder content that...

        This type of repurposing a popular video clip with your own 'in group'/'out group' context has been happening on the internet since 2005. I personally find this one of the milder content that the_donald and their ilk produce. It is too cartoonish to be taken seriously

        I would much rather be talking about Turkey/Syria. The treaties that Trump has withdrawn the US from. The Ukraine coverup. I don't get why time and attention is being wasted on it.

        7 votes
      2. [6]
        moonbathers
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        Stuff like this is what encourages mass shooters, though. Maybe it doesn't need to dominate a news cycle but it's worth talking about.

        Stuff like this is what encourages mass shooters, though. Maybe it doesn't need to dominate a news cycle but it's worth talking about.

        6 votes
        1. [5]
          seizethegoddamngap
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          Preface: I'm a pro-2A liberal that wants significantly increased gun regulations and a Trump impeachment. · I have not seen a single study correlating the sharing of violent memes and an increase...

          Preface: I'm a pro-2A liberal that wants significantly increased gun regulations and a Trump impeachment.

          · I have not seen a single study correlating the sharing of violent memes and an increase in mass shootings. If you have some links handy, I'd gladly read them over.

          · If this encourages mass shootings, then shouldn't any other violent media (like the original clip from Kingsman) do the same?

          3 votes
          1. [3]
            dubteedub
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            ‘The threats follow us home’: Survey details risks for female journalists in U.S., Canada 5 takeaways from the Reporters Committee’s analysis of press freedom threats in 2018 Since Trump began his...

            · I have not seen a single study correlating the sharing of violent memes and an increase in mass shootings. If you have some links handy, I'd gladly read them over.

            • 85% of respondents believed journalists had become less safe in past five years
            • Less than half (44%) had received safety training
            • Online harassment was cited as the biggest threat by 90% of respondents in the U.S. and 71% in Canada
            • More than 70 percent said they had experienced safety issues/threats in the U.S. or Canada, with verbal harassment, followed by online harassment the most common types
            • Journalists across a range of beats received threats, but the harassment was more severe and sustained for those covering local or national politics, or extremism

            Second annual survey of U.S. Press Freedom Tracker data indicates a troubling escalation in the level of violence aimed at journalists and government actions threatening press freedoms

            Journalists in the U.S. continued to find themselves the targets of a dismaying number of physical attacks — 35 attacks affecting 42 journalists — ranging from assaults on reporters in the field to explosive devices mailed to CNN’s offices. Unlike in 2017, where the majority of assaults occurred at protests, in 2018, only about one-third of attacks occurred at demonstrations, most of which were at the hands of law enforcement.

            Tragically, the tracker also had to add a new category in 2018 — killings of journalists — after a man shot several people in the Capital Gazette’s newsroom in June 2018, killing four reporters and a sales assistant.

            Since Trump began his rhetorical attacks on the media back in 2015, there have been several instances of his supporters taking those as calls to violence

            I can continue if needed, but I think you get the point.

            Specifically on your question of memes like these contributing to the violence.

            Although little may seem more trivial, it’s time to take memes seriously. White supremacists certainly are.

            Research into the ecosystems that generate and disseminate these memes reveals that many of the most hateful ones being spread widely, including those that celebrate or humanize Adolf Hitler, can be sourced to a handful of websites such as Gab, 4chan and Reddit. For example, one neo-Nazi blog encourages users to create memes on their weekly “memetic Monday,” which are intended for wider distribution.

            These ecosystems produce narratives that have real consequences. The Quebec City shooter was described by peers as a moderate conservative who self-radicalized online, while the Charleston shooter’s internet history revealed frequent visits to extremist hubs. The Pittsburgh shooter regularly posted anti-Semitic memes on Gab, and the perpetrator of the Charlottesville car attack had posted numerous anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi memes to his Facebook page. These commonalities are not coincidence.

            “There’s a lot of romanticization of violence among the far-right online, and there aren’t consequences to that,” said Martinez, who was a white-power skinhead for about five years. “In the physical world, if you’re standing in front of someone and you say something abhorrent, there’s a chance they’ll punch you. Online, you don’t have that, and you escalate into further physical violence without a threat to yourself.”

            Harassment of journalists online and in person has been ramping up considerable under the rise of Trump, memes like these normalize this hate and help radicalize others to commit violence, and this is a serious issue that should not be dismissed because its just a meme.

            30 votes
            1. [2]
              seizethegoddamngap
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              Point made and destroyed the crap out of my post, upvoted, thanks for sharing!

              Point made and destroyed the crap out of my post, upvoted, thanks for sharing!

              20 votes
              1. dubteedub
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                No problem, I am happy to help shed more light on this. Thanks for hearing me out!

                No problem, I am happy to help shed more light on this. Thanks for hearing me out!

                8 votes
          2. stephen
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            to add to u/dubteedub's resounding rebuttal let me add this scintillating tidbit of sociology jargon: Here's a cool video about it if you are interested!

            Point made and destroyed the crap out of my post, upvoted, thanks for sharing!

            to add to u/dubteedub's resounding rebuttal let me add this scintillating tidbit of sociology jargon:

            stochastic terrorism:

            the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted:

            The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.

            Here's a cool video about it if you are interested!

            5 votes
      3. [3]
        stephen
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        The public display and normalization of sectarian violence is absolutely something to get upset about.

        feign outrage about

        The public display and normalization of sectarian violence is absolutely something to get upset about.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          papasquat
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          That wasn't a display of violence. It was an edited scene from a movie. No one got hurt.

          That wasn't a display of violence. It was an edited scene from a movie. No one got hurt.

          2 votes
          1. stephen
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            A violent movie though. What was the ultimate message it was trying to convey? Like are we supposed to come away thinking "the bullets are a metaphor reasonable points with a generous approach to...

            a movie

            A violent movie though. What was the ultimate message it was trying to convey? Like are we supposed to come away thinking "the bullets are a metaphor reasonable points with a generous approach to compromise" or what?

            No one got hurt.

            Getting hurt isn't the point. This is stochastic terrorism. This is the shifting of cultural norms. No one got hurt but people can get hurt in the future if they think the God Emperor (their term not mine) is okay with this. Inb4 he condemned it: he's lied in the past.

            6 votes
    2. Archimedes
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      I think the main difference here is that it was recently shown at a Trump event rather than just being some video that some T_D person made. Its existence is one thing, but the tacit endorsement...

      I think the main difference here is that it was recently shown at a Trump event rather than just being some video that some T_D person made. Its existence is one thing, but the tacit endorsement of it is quite another.

      5 votes