China bans journalists from the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal in retaliation for state media restrictions by the Trump administration
Definitely not a good thing that there is an escalating media war between and the US. However, the US has as much to blame as China given that they started this thing.
Definitely not a good thing that there is an escalating media war between and the US. However, the US has as much to blame as China given that they started this thing.
No, there's a huge difference between calling an arm of actual state media state media, and calling independent outlets the same. NYT, WP and WSJ don't produce propaganda the same way actual...
No, there's a huge difference between calling an arm of actual state media state media, and calling independent outlets the same. NYT, WP and WSJ don't produce propaganda the same way actual Chinese state media does.
Yes, it's irresponsible to antagonize needlessly, but we cannot equate that we the following escalation.
If democracies stop living up to their values in relation to China in fear of retaliation and escalation from Beijing, China is accomplishing the exact censure they wish to have the power to impose.
This does mean that over-reacting to China (or other authoritarian states) where it isn't necessary is less than smart, but two wrongs don't make a right, or justify the greater wrong.
I'm not trying to justify the action of China, but clearly it was a bad idea for the US to ban Chinese media outlets. Banning Chinese media outlets is not fighting back against censorship. There...
I'm not trying to justify the action of China, but clearly it was a bad idea for the US to ban Chinese media outlets.
If democracies stop living up to their values in relation to China in fear of retaliation and escalation from Beijing, China is accomplishing the exact censure they wish to have the power to impose.
Banning Chinese media outlets is not fighting back against censorship. There are plenty of things that China has done to warrant actions against them, but I really don't think banning Chinese media outlets is the answer.
I would imagine it's important to consider the outlets themselves instead of just casting it as "Chinese media" and "US media". If the outlets expelled or sanctioned by the US truly were nothing...
I would imagine it's important to consider the outlets themselves instead of just casting it as "Chinese media" and "US media". If the outlets expelled or sanctioned by the US truly were nothing more than state-run propaganda, then there's a huge difference between the two actions here. That's not to say that the current move should be unexpected, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that the two actions were equivalent. Not all media is created equal - WaPo, NYT, and Time are all independent journalistic sources that have been critical of both the US and Chinese governments - or, I should say, they have exposed failings of each.
According to WP there are only around 75 US journalists in China total. China has previously expelled three WP journalists for their "racist" essay where they criticized the Chinese...
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo disputed the comparison between the U.S. and Chinese actions, telling reporters in Washington that they enjoy press freedoms that don't exist in China.
“The individuals that we identified a few weeks back were not media that were acting here freely," he said. “They were part of Chinese propaganda outlets. We’ve identified these as foreign missions under American law. These aren’t apples to apples, and I regret China’s decision today to further foreclose the world’s ability to conduct free press operations."
The U.S. announced earlier this month that five state-controlled Chinese media outlets would be restricted to 100 visas. It cited increasingly harsh surveillance, harassment and intimidation of American and other foreign journalists working in China.
The Chinese outlets, which employ about 160 Chinese citizens in the U.S., include the official Xinhua News Agency and China Global Television Network, or CGTN, the overseas arm of state broadcaster CCTV.
By designating the five Chinese media companies as foreign missions, the U.S. government required them to register their properties and employees in the United States. The State Department said that was to recognize “they are effectively controlled” by the Chinese government.
According to WP there are only around 75 US journalists in China total.
China has previously expelled three WP journalists for their "racist" essay where they criticized the Chinese corona-response.
That's some context on how unequal these actions in fact are.
True. It's an important thing to consider. Maybe it's just with the current situation we are in, but I am very against actions that increase the tension between the US and China right now.
True. It's an important thing to consider. Maybe it's just with the current situation we are in, but I am very against actions that increase the tension between the US and China right now.
Definitely not a good thing that there is an escalating media war between and the US. However, the US has as much to blame as China given that they started this thing.
No, there's a huge difference between calling an arm of actual state media state media, and calling independent outlets the same. NYT, WP and WSJ don't produce propaganda the same way actual Chinese state media does.
Yes, it's irresponsible to antagonize needlessly, but we cannot equate that we the following escalation.
If democracies stop living up to their values in relation to China in fear of retaliation and escalation from Beijing, China is accomplishing the exact censure they wish to have the power to impose.
This does mean that over-reacting to China (or other authoritarian states) where it isn't necessary is less than smart, but two wrongs don't make a right, or justify the greater wrong.
I'm not trying to justify the action of China, but clearly it was a bad idea for the US to ban Chinese media outlets.
Banning Chinese media outlets is not fighting back against censorship. There are plenty of things that China has done to warrant actions against them, but I really don't think banning Chinese media outlets is the answer.
I would imagine it's important to consider the outlets themselves instead of just casting it as "Chinese media" and "US media". If the outlets expelled or sanctioned by the US truly were nothing more than state-run propaganda, then there's a huge difference between the two actions here. That's not to say that the current move should be unexpected, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that the two actions were equivalent. Not all media is created equal - WaPo, NYT, and Time are all independent journalistic sources that have been critical of both the US and Chinese governments - or, I should say, they have exposed failings of each.
According to WP there are only around 75 US journalists in China total.
China has previously expelled three WP journalists for their "racist" essay where they criticized the Chinese corona-response.
That's some context on how unequal these actions in fact are.
True. It's an important thing to consider. Maybe it's just with the current situation we are in, but I am very against actions that increase the tension between the US and China right now.
Yes, they are state propaganda but banning their reporters is still bad precedent.