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Daily thread for news/updates/discussion of George Floyd protests - June 6

This thread is posted daily - please try to post relevant content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Especially significant updates may warrant a separate topic, but most should be posted here.

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  1. Amarok
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    Progress in New York. We now know the shape of the reform package that will likely pass before the end of next week when the legislature is back in session. You can read the summary and find links...

    Progress in New York. We now know the shape of the reform package that will likely pass before the end of next week when the legislature is back in session.

    You can read the summary and find links to the text of every bill right here.

    I'm surprised and pleased to see legalization of cannabis is included. This will deprive police of one of their most effective excuses for harassing people. It's a much larger issue in the NYC area than in the rest of the state, it's been my experience upstate cops give zero fucks about cannabis. I know cops who smoke it, and know I grow it. They only get worked up over large scale grow operations, not personal use.

    The NYPD, on the other hand, uses cannabis like a club to beat their way through every door and into every car trunk. 'I smell something' will no longer serve that function for them.

    17 votes
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    Amarok
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    More updates on Buffalo. The two officers involved in that video were arrested and charged with felony 2nd degree assault. So much for resignations helping. Even better, the officers lied in their...

    More updates on Buffalo. The two officers involved in that video were arrested and charged with felony 2nd degree assault.

    So much for resignations helping. Even better, the officers lied in their police report saying the man tripped and fell. Not just the two charged - many others who were at that incident. We haven't heard the last of this yet.

    14 votes
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      joplin
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      Yeah, my question when I heard about the resignations was, "Was this to protest how the other officers are being treated, or to show disdain for their actions?" My assumption was that they were...

      So much for resignations helping.

      Yeah, my question when I heard about the resignations was, "Was this to protest how the other officers are being treated, or to show disdain for their actions?" My assumption was that they were angry about the officers being held accountable, not that they were angry at the officers for being shitbags.

      6 votes
      1. Gaywallet
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        Yes this was exactly what they were doing

        My assumption was that they were angry about the officers being held accountable, not that they were angry at the officers for being shitbags.

        Yes this was exactly what they were doing

        3 votes
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    Amarok
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    Two hours and nine minutes of police brutality videos. This compilation popped up on /r/publicfreakout yesterday. I must say I'm amazed at the idiocy of these cops. They know people are filming...

    Two hours and nine minutes of police brutality videos. This compilation popped up on /r/publicfreakout yesterday.

    I must say I'm amazed at the idiocy of these cops. They know people are filming them and they are still under the impression these acts won't cost them their careers in law enforcement and land them with felony convictions. It's wonderful to get so many of these thugs out in the open where they can be held accountable and stripped of their public trust.

    If you're too foolish/thuggish to behave when fifty cameras are pointed at you, then you're clearly lacking the required integrity to remain in the police force.

    14 votes
    1. Polatrite
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      The template that's been laid down across the US over the last 20+ years is that they won't suffer major repercussions, and that's still a possibility in this case as well. These situations often...

      The template that's been laid down across the US over the last 20+ years is that they won't suffer major repercussions, and that's still a possibility in this case as well. These situations often look promising (in terms of achieving actual justice) during the first few days of response, but tend to swing back in the alleged offending cop's favor after the public furor dies down. The only way that real justice is accomplished in these scenarios is if the interested public sees the entire process through - not just the initial fury.

      7 votes
  4. patience_limited
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    This is a hyper-local report, but I just wanted to say that I attended a BLM protest and memorial for George Floyd in my wee tiny (pop. 15,000) very white northwestern Michigan town, and 1,500...

    This is a hyper-local report, but I just wanted to say that I attended a BLM protest and memorial for George Floyd in my wee tiny (pop. 15,000) very white northwestern Michigan town, and 1,500 people turned out for a passionate, but orderly event. [It doesn't sound like much of a thing, until you imagine 10% of the population of a major city showing up.]

    The Chief of Police spoke, acknowledging that the actions of the Minneapolis officers in George Floyd's death were wrong and unconscionable. He quoted Robert Woodson on just policing - interesting quotes, even if the figure behind them has some problematic history.

    Local-resident Black speakers described incidents of profiling, unnecessary use of force, and racist social media posts from police officers. The local BLM leadership presented demands for an end to racial profiling, annual implicit bias training, civilian review, and incidentally brought up the fact that 40% of the county budget is dedicated to police services [national average for similar forces is 25%]. They recommended public release of the detailed budget, and reallocation of those funds for non-police community services.

    Video is published here.

    Aside from the mere presence of a single dude in a very questionable yellow Hawaiian shirt, I didn't see any evidence of Boogaloo, white nationalist, or other potentially violent infiltrators. Lots of kids, people of all ages, genders, colors, significant call-outs for native, Latinx, LGBT+, and other minorities in the community. Lots of supportive honking from passing cars.

    One of the rally organizers is a leader in the local Indivisible group, a major Democratic Party activist, and also sits on the city Board of Commissioners.

    The Mayor's office was able to persuade organizers of an Open Carry firearms rally (with some really awful white nationalist backing) to choose another day.

    12 votes
  5. [5]
    cfabbro
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    Democrats to Propose Broad Bill to Target Police Misconduct and Racial Bias Lots of incredibly positive changes in the Bill: Hopefully they can actually get it passed without being watered down...

    Democrats to Propose Broad Bill to Target Police Misconduct and Racial Bias

    Democrats in Congress plan to unveil expansive legislation on Monday that would make it easier to prosecute police misconduct and recover damages from officers found to have violated the constitutional rights of civilians, and step up pressure on the Justice Department to address systemic racial discrimination by law enforcement.

    The bill, which House and Senate Democrats have named the Justice in Policing Act of 2020, is a direct response to the recent killings of three black Americans by white civilians and officers that have prompted protests across the country, but it includes policies that civil rights activists have been pushing for decades to combat racial bias and excessive use of force by law enforcement. The New York Times obtained a copy of a section-by-section summary of its contents, circulated privately on Capitol Hill late Friday.

    Lots of incredibly positive changes in the Bill:

    As currently proposed, it would significantly change federal law and require states and localities to make modifications of their own, such as instituting mandatory bias training, to receive federal funds. It would create a national registry to track police misconduct and require that law enforcement agencies report data on the use of force, as well as ban certain chokeholds and other practices that were used in confrontations with the police that left black Americans dead.

    If adopted, the bill would rewrite key elements of the federal criminal code related to police misconduct to make it easier to prosecute law enforcement officers and for individuals who are victims of such practices to recover damages.

    The federal police misconduct statute currently makes it a crime for an officer to “willfully” violate an individuals’s constitutional rights, meaning prosecutors must prove an officer acted with the intention of depriving the person of their rights. Democrats plan to propose lowering that standard of criminal intent to “knowingly or with reckless disregard.” The change is likely to face opposition from police unions and their allies.

    The legislation would also alter the legal doctrine known as qualified immunity that shields police officers from being held legally liable for damages sought by citizens whose constitutional rights were violated.

    In addition, Democrats are proposing to change the federal standard for the use of force by officers from “reasonableness” to only when it is “necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury.” The bill would require that federal officers use de-escalation tactics and use deadly force only as a last resort. Grants to state and local agencies would require them to do the same.

    In federal drug cases, lawmakers intend to propose banning “no knock” warrants, which allow police to enter a residence without warning or identifying themselves, and incentivize states to do the same. Ms. Taylor was shot and killed in her home during such a raid.

    The legislation would also ban chokeholds or other carotid holds, and condition law enforcement funds on states and other agencies doing the same. The technique led to Mr. Floyd’s death, prosecutors have said, and the high-profile death in 2014 of Eric Garner in New York.

    It would also limit the transfer of military weaponry to state and local departments.

    It would give new power to Justice Department investigators conducting inquiries into patterns or practices of behavior by police departments that violate the Constitution and incentivize state attorneys general to conduct such investigations on their own.

    Lawmakers would require all uniformed federal officers to wear body cameras and use dashboard cameras, which have been crucial tools to holding officers accountable in many cases, and they would mandate that state and local agencies use federal funds to “ensure” their use.

    Democrats would also try to prod state and local law enforcement agencies to undertake a new effort to end discrimination in their practices, by conditioning federal funding on the adoption of policies and training to combat racial and other discriminatory profiling.

    The bill would also impose new requirements on the Justice Department to assemble and promulgate new policing standards for state and local agencies and collect reams of data on police actions all over the country that could inform more changes in the future, particularly when a Democratic administration controls the department.

    The bill would also include a provision, held up in the Senate, that would make lynching a new federal hate crime for the first time in American history.

    Hopefully they can actually get it passed without being watered down too much. If not, hopefully they will try again in 6 months.

    p.s. Does anyone else think this may deserve its own post, given its importance?

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      Omnicrola
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      Not being a lawyer, does this have a specific legal definition?

      “knowingly or with reckless disregard.”

      Not being a lawyer, does this have a specific legal definition?

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      1. cfabbro
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        IANAL either, so don't know if the following definitions would apply to the Federal Police Misconduct Statute the Dems plan on changing the wording of, but this document from the 3rd Circuit Court...

        IANAL either, so don't know if the following definitions would apply to the Federal Police Misconduct Statute the Dems plan on changing the wording of, but this document from the 3rd Circuit Court seems to explain the specific meanings of each. It's pretty legalese heavy but still reasonably understandable, IMO.

        General Introduction to Mental State Instructions

        5.05 - Willfully

        The offense(s) of (state offense or offenses that include willfully) charged in the indictment require(s)the government to prove that (name) acted “willfully” with respect to an (certain) element(s)of the offense(s). This means the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that (name) knew (his) (her) conduct was unlawful and intended to do something that the law forbids. That is, to find that (name) acted “willfully,” you must find that the evidence proved beyond a reasonable doubt that (name) acted with a purpose to disobey or disregard the law. “Willfully” does not, however, require proof that (name) had any evil motive or bad purpose other than the purpose to disobey or disregard the law.

        [“Willfully” (does) (does not) require proof that the actor knew of the existence and meaning of the statute making his conduct criminal.]

        vs. the proposed new wording:

        5.02 - Knowingly

        The offense(s) of (state offense or offenses that include knowingly or with knowledge) charged in the indictment requires that the government prove that (name of defendant) acted “knowingly” [“with knowledge”]with respect to an (the) (certain)element(s)of the offense(s). This means that the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that (name) was conscious and aware of the nature of (his) (her)actions and of the surrounding facts and circumstances, as specified in the definition of the offense(s) charged.

        In deciding whether (name) acted “knowingly” [“with knowledge”], you may consider evidence about what (name) said, what (name) did and failed to do, how (name) acted, and all the other facts and circumstances shown by the evidence that may prove what was in (name)’s mind at that time.

        [The government is not required to prove that (name) knew (his) (her) acts were against the law.]

        or

        5.08 - Recklessly

        The offense(s) of (state offense or offenses that include recklessly) charged in the indictment require(s)that the government prove that (name of defendant) acted “recklessly.” This means that the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt (1) that (name) was aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk of a fact or circumstance required for the offense or that the result required for the offense would be caused by (his) (her) actions; and (2) that (name) consciously disregarded that risk

        Specifically, in this case the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt:

        First: That (name) was aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk of (state the fact or circumstance the risk of which defendant must be aware) or that (his) (her)actions would cause (st ate the result the risk of which the defendant must be aware); and

        Second: That (name) consciously disregarded that risk.

        3 votes
    2. skybrian
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      Has there been any sign that the Senate would pass it or negotiate a compromise?

      Has there been any sign that the Senate would pass it or negotiate a compromise?

      2 votes
  6. cfabbro
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    From a few days ago but interesting nonetheless: UPDATED: Suspended Fargo deputy police chief resigns Doing that to "protect all officers and the protesters and citizens of Fargo", was he? I'm...

    From a few days ago but interesting nonetheless:
    UPDATED: Suspended Fargo deputy police chief resigns

    Osmundson was first put on suspension earlier on Thursday after Fargo Police Chief David Todd and Mayor Tim Mahoney met with him to discuss his actions, which they say he chose to "undertake on his own without approval."

    The former deputy chief initially came under scrutiny after co-workers complained in an email that during the protest, Osmundson held up a sign at the law enforcement center, held a beer can during the downtown riot, and said the words “f--- the police."

    “I took actions on Saturday to protect all officers and the protesters and citizens of Fargo during Saturday’s events," the former deputy chief said. "Those actions led to distrust of this community and those among law enforcement and no amount of suspension will regain that trust.”

    Doing that to "protect all officers and the protesters and citizens of Fargo", was he? I'm sure being a provocateur never once crossed his mind while he was out there pretending to be a protestor either. /s

    8 votes
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    rabbit
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    I just wanted to post a few article of note about the National Guard. Sorry a couple of them are a bit of old news. A National Guardsman in MA was removed from active duty after posting "I can't...

    I just wanted to post a few article of note about the National Guard. Sorry a couple of them are a bit of old news.

    Edit: Fixed link to Ohio National guard.

    8 votes
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      cfabbro
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      Your second link is just another article on the helicopter incident. This article talks about the Ohio guardsman: DeWine: Ohio National Guardsman removed after white supremacist posts were made online

      Your second link is just another article on the helicopter incident. This article talks about the Ohio guardsman:
      DeWine: Ohio National Guardsman removed after white supremacist posts were made online

      6 votes
      1. rabbit
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        Whoops. Thanks for the heads up.

        Whoops. Thanks for the heads up.

        3 votes
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    cfabbro
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    From tear gas to rubber bullets, here’s what ‘nonlethal’ weapons can do to the body Kind of a surprising article coming from National Geographic, especially given they are owned by Disney now....

    From tear gas to rubber bullets, here’s what ‘nonlethal’ weapons can do to the body

    When misused, nonlethal weapons break bones, burn skin, and cause internal injuries. Here’s why those serious injuries may occur, and how to protect against them.

    Kind of a surprising article coming from National Geographic, especially given they are owned by Disney now.

    @spit-evil-olive-tips, figured you might want to read this given your post on chemical weapons the other day.

    8 votes
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      spit-evil-olive-tips
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      Thanks. Really glad to see "neutral" outlets like Nat Geo picking up reporting on this. This article from the Washington Post breaks down some of the various "non-lethal" / "less-lethal" weapons...

      Thanks. Really glad to see "neutral" outlets like Nat Geo picking up reporting on this.

      This article from the Washington Post breaks down some of the various "non-lethal" / "less-lethal" weapons used by police, with pictures.

      Physicians for Human Rights also has a page about the affects of "chemical irritants" including tear gas. Among other things:

      There are some case reports to suggest adverse effects of CIs on the fetus. Animal models indicate that miscarriages and fetal abnormalities can occur after exposure to CIs. There is insufficient population data to verify a causal link in humans, but there are case reports of miscarriage and teratogenic effects on the fetus secondary to exposure to high concentrations of CIs.

      In a sane world, conservative "pro-life" groups (that normally spend all their time focusing on controlling women's reproductive rights) would be up in arms condemning the use by police of weapons that can kill unborn children.

      Denver Police fired "pepper ball" rounds at an unarmed man shouting that his pregnant fiancee was in the car with him. They were not part of the protests, they were making food deliveries.

      Brittany King, Brown's fiancée, who is 18 weeks pregnant, was hit in the abdomen with at least three pepper ball rounds, according to the couple's attorney, Scott Melin. When she got to the hospital, her fetus had a high heart rate and she is still suffering from cramps, difficulty breathing and difficulty eating, Melin said Friday afternoon.

      She also suffered a broken bone in her hand from when she tried to block her face, Melin said.

      7 votes
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        patience_limited
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        Warning: cringe-inducing violence. Another instance of "non-lethal" weapons causing permanent injury or disability when misused with malevolent intent, here.

        Warning: cringe-inducing violence.

        Another instance of "non-lethal" weapons causing permanent injury or disability when misused with malevolent intent, here.

        3 votes
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          cfabbro
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          The officer in the above story that shot and permanently injured the community activist for no reason whatsoever is the same that was caught laughing, smiling, and amping himself up shortly before...

          The officer in the above story that shot and permanently injured the community activist for no reason whatsoever is the same that was caught laughing, smiling, and amping himself up shortly before shooting another protestor point blank for saying "fuck you" to him after he said "shut up, bitch" to another protestor. Also of note is that his chief called him "a good kid who made a mistake" in the press briefing in response to the above videos going viral.

          “I’m not happy with his actions. I’m sure if Jared was sitting here, he would be embarrassed as well. But I will tell you, I know Jared, and he is a good kid who made a mistake, who let his emotions get the better of him,” Garcia said at a media briefing. “He’s put his life on the line for this Police Department on many an occasion. And so we will take all of that into consideration. He will have to live with the consequences of what he did.”

          Yeahhh... clearly not just "a" mistake, and based on his sociopathic behavior I very much doubt he is a "good kid" or feels embarrassed for his actions.

          7 votes
  9. MonkeyPants
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    Protests about police brutality are met with wave of police brutality across US

    Protests about police brutality are met with wave of police brutality across US

    From Minnesota to New York, Texas, California, Washington DC and many places beyond, from small towns to big cities, police officers have demonstrated just how problematic law enforcement is in the US, drawing condemnation from international groups as well as domestic civil rights organizations.

    7 votes
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    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Seattle PD, unable to use tear gas, are now trying to redefine what words mean. "we're asking the crowd to back away from the fencing in order to keep this a peaceful demonstration" So...if they...

    Seattle PD, unable to use tear gas, are now trying to redefine what words mean.

    "we're asking the crowd to back away from the fencing in order to keep this a peaceful demonstration"

    So...if they don't back up, the police will make it not peaceful by firing the first shot? Or if they don't back up, they'll consider "standing too close to the fence" to be violence and use that as an excuse to start firing anyway?

    edit: their justification is that the crowd got violent and threw a candle at them


    Separately, yesterday here in Seattle, police reportedly pepper-sprayed a woman with her child in their car. This video shows the aftermath but not the event itself, which I haven't been able to find any video of.

    Their official statement today confirms they used pepper spray, but claims that the child was not in the car at the time.

    Which...I hope is wrong, or I'm misunderstanding it, because it would mean they first dragged the child out of the car, then pepper-sprayed the mother, with the child watching from the sidewalk?

    6 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      Some comedy gold in that twitter thread from the Seattle Police Dept. claiming "Several officers injured due to improvised explosives" (that had pic of the supposed "explosive" with a label saying...

      Some comedy gold in that twitter thread from the Seattle Police Dept. claiming "Several officers injured due to improvised explosives" (that had pic of the supposed "explosive" with a label saying "CANDLE" still on it):

      I have a theory why the explosive device didn't explode and it's because it's a candle

      and here we see the rare and elusive antifa candle in its natural habitat

      Not pina colada scented! The horror. The horror!

      Wish they’d bring back the pineapple scented bomb.

      Wow, this IED smells like apple pie and cinnamon, it's delightful

      This is the second time today your Twitter account has out right lied in defense of brutal overkill tactics. How do you sleep at night?

      On top of a pile of guns, with lots of beautiful donuts

      It's a candle. A seven day candle. Unless you're trying to tell me my mom is stockpiling IEDs at her church

      Quick! Seattle PD! You’ve cracked the case. Antifa headquarters is at the local Bath and Body Works! Possibly Pottery Barn. Maybe Joanne’s

      A candle is like a really slow explosion that lasts for several hours.

      Yeah I remember when the taliban would place candles in the road for us

      Have they established a votive for this attack?

      Someone put improvised explosives on my cake!!!!

      I am a trained explosives expert. These deadly weapons have a destructive capacity of 13 lumens when armed!!

      yankee candle has been manufacturing explosives for centuries, thank you for exposing their explicit desire for accessible, affordable, and aromatic warfare you're doing gods work seattle police dept.

      "Sevewal officews injuwed due to impwovised expwosives"

      My god! I fear an escalation leading to the deployment of incense!

      Edit: Some new ones.

      Video on how to diffuse these bombs

      ITS THE PROTESTERS FAULT! WE FOUND THIS ENTIRE CASE OF FULLY ACTIVATED MOLOTOV COCKTAILS AT THE SCENE! (picture of Lacroix sparkling water)

      Seattle PD: “They are firing guns at us! Here they are!” (picture of caulking gun)

      The protesters are getting caulky? Don't want anyone going off half caulked here.

      This MF is the top of the FBI most wanted list (pic of Lumiere from Beauty & the Beast)

      Ahh yes... the dread ANTIFA Comrade Lumiere!

      intelligence indicates a cell is operating locally (pic of Seattle Candle Co.)

      I burned my finger on a candle once. I was mildly inconvenienced for 3 or 4 whole minutes. I feel the SPDs pain.

      If it's an illegitimate bombing, the body has ways of shutting that down.

      11 votes
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    Gaywallet
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    Unidentified police in plain clothes do not identify themselves and arrest woman on the street and throw her into an unmarked car (turns out to be San Diego police department). People filming are...
    6 votes
    1. vektor
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      That is so fucked up. You don't even know whether those people abducting you are criminal members of the police of just criminals. If you're just arresting someone in plain clothes without...

      That is so fucked up. You don't even know whether those people abducting you are criminal members of the police of just criminals. If you're just arresting someone in plain clothes without identifying yourself, you're indistinguishable from a kidnapper with a tactical vest. These people should not be allowed to take people with them without first being properly identified as police. I dunno, maybe call 911, make them give you and the police a password. If the "cop" tells you the correct password, he's in fact one. Unfortunately, I doubt dispatch would be helpful enough - if these guys even have their radios on them.

      6 votes
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      cfabbro
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      I'm pretty sure the FBI intended that to be used for citizens reporting fellow citizens for inciting violence, but a bunch of users in the subreddits where police brutality during the protests is...

      I'm pretty sure the FBI intended that to be used for citizens reporting fellow citizens for inciting violence, but a bunch of users in the subreddits where police brutality during the protests is being documented (e.g. /r/PublicFreakout, /r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut, etc) have coopted it and are submitting evidence of police brutality to it instead. It's kind of a brilliant move, IMO.

      17 votes
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        timo
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        I love it because the FBI is getting exactly what they asked for :)

        I love it because the FBI is getting exactly what they asked for :)

        8 votes
        1. cfabbro
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          LOL yeah... it is technically what they asked for, so they can't really reject the submissions without looking partisan and biased. Hopefully they don't just ignore it all though. Especially since...

          LOL yeah... it is technically what they asked for, so they can't really reject the submissions without looking partisan and biased. Hopefully they don't just ignore it all though. Especially since if they actually do follow through with investigating those violations of citizens 1A rights, regardless of the fact that it's being done by the police, it would probably go a long way towards ending the protests amicably and helping make a positive change in the country.

          8 votes
  13. freddy
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    (Out of Protest) Because this situation is so strange, I wanted to condense my thoughts into a post. I've donated $10 to the ACLU and encourage you to do so if possible. I'm not making any money...

    George Floyd shouldn't have been killed. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Now people are taking to the streets and rioting, let's talk about that.

    (Out of Protest)

    Because this situation is so strange, I wanted to condense my thoughts into a post. I've donated $10 to the ACLU and encourage you to do so if possible. I'm not making any money from this post either as I don't monetise my blog in any way.

    5 votes
  14. Kuromantis
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    How Americans Feel About George Floyd’s Death And The Protests On one hand, cool. On the other hand, this is what happened with the coronavirus where it went from partisan to not partisan to partisan.

    How Americans Feel About George Floyd’s Death And The Protests

    First, the public pretty clearly thinks the police were in the wrong. A Yahoo News/YouGov survey, for instance, found that 84 percent of Americans strongly or somewhat approved of the firing of the officers involved in Floyd’s death, and 68 percent said they approved of charging former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who knelt on Floyd’s neck for nearly 9 minutes, with murder. Similarly, 65 percent of respondents in a Data for Progress poll said that Chauvin murdered Floyd; 25 percent of respondents said his death was partly a product of excessive force “but not murder,” and just 10 percent said it was a “tragic accident.”

    Additionally, most Americans said that policing is biased against African Americans. In a new survey from Monmouth University, 57 percent said police were more likely to use excessive force in difficult situations if the suspect is black, while just 33 percent said police were equally likely to use excessive force against white people and black people. Similarly, 57 percent of respondents in a new CBS News/YouGov survey said police in most communities treat white people better than black people.

    More broadly, the public appears receptive to why people are protesting. Fifty-seven percent of respondents in the Monmouth poll felt that, regardless of their actions, protesters’ anger was “fully justified,” while 21 percent said it was “partially justified” and 18 percent said it was “not at all justified.” And 64 percent told Reuters/Ipsos that they were sympathetic to those participating in the protests, while a Morning Consult poll found that 54 percent of adults supported “the protest in general” while 22 percent opposed it.

    However, Americans had mixed views on what has happened during the protests, and many have expressed disapproval of protests that have been violent or destructive. Forty-five percent of respondents told Morning Consult that, on the whole, most of the protesters are peaceful and desire meaningful social reform, while 42 percent said most protesters are trying to incite violence or destroy property. In Monmouth’s poll, only 17 percent felt the actions of the protesters were fully justified, 37 percent said they were partially justified and 38 percent said they weren’t justified at all. And the Reuters/Ipsos survey found that most Americans (72 percent) didn’t think violent protests were an appropriate response to Floyd’s killing, and that property damage caused by protesters undermined their goals (79 percent). Morning Consult’s survey also found that Americans were less supportive of the protests when they were specifically asked about black people protesting.

    As for President Trump’s handling of the protests, Americans largely gave him a thumbs down. The CBS News/YouGov poll found that 32 percent approved of Trump’s response while 49 percent disapproved, and Reuters/Ipsos found that 33 percent approved while 56 percent disapproved. Although Trump usually has overwhelming backing from Republicans on most job approval questions, there were some signs that at least a few GOP voters were breaking with him on this issue. The CBS News/YouGov survey found that 65 percent approved of how he’s handling the situation — far lower than the 84 percent who approve of how he’s handling the coronavirus pandemic, for example — while 14 percent disapproved. Similarly, in the Reuters/Ipsos poll, 20 percent disapproved while 67 percent approved.

    There could be electoral repercussions to the protests and the president’s response to them. Monmouth’s survey found that 74 percent of Americans felt the country was on the wrong track, the largest share since Monmouth first asked the question nationally in 2013. And as a result of Floyd’s death and the protests, 45 percent of registered voters told Morning Consult they were more likely to now vote for former Vice President Joe Biden. However, another 31 percent said they’d be more likely to vote for Trump. And at this point, it’s hard to imagine that George Floyd’s death won’t be an important factor in the election.

    On one hand, cool.

    On the other hand, this is what happened with the coronavirus where it went from partisan to not partisan to partisan.

    5 votes
  15. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Salt Lake City, Utah

    At Friday’s peaceful demonstration, a lone marine stood for 3 hours in full uniform with protesters in support of Black Lives Matters.

    Todd, a Marine with two decorated purple hearts stood at the Utah’s State Capitol with black tape over his mouth reading “I Can’t Breathe” and holding a sign that said “justice for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Tamir Rice, and countless others…”

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