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Minneapolis police: 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting

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  1. Gaywallet
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    Oh look another 'violent protester' turned out to actually be a white supremacist trying to start a race war. How surprising.

    Oh look another 'violent protester' turned out to actually be a white supremacist trying to start a race war. How surprising.

    17 votes
  2. [6]
    no_exit
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    Nobody should be taking the police's word up front on this, they're pushing the exact same line in Richmond. Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter...

    Nobody should be taking the police's word up front on this, they're pushing the exact same line in Richmond.

    Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter

    The same thing happened with the Wendys that was burned down in Atlanta. The person in viral footage of that who was smeared as an undercover or neo-nazi agitator and later arrested turned out be the girlfriend of Rayshad Brooks, the man whose killing sparked that protest. I'm not saying those types aren't active in these protests, but it's a ridiculous denial of agency to assign all of these actions to them. It's a result of people refusing to consider the notion that property destruction is a valid act of protest, and it works in the police's favor.

    7 votes
    1. [4]
      Loire
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      Source please. I've been spending quite a bit of time on Boogaloo haunts as of late and they are actively organizing this sort of incitement. It's not about "oh black people can't cause property...

      same thing happened with the Wendys that was burned down in Atlanta. The person in viral footage of that who was smeared as an undercover or neo-nazi agitator and later arrested turned out be the girlfriend of Rayshad Brooks, the man whose killing sparked that protest.

      Source please.

      I've been spending quite a bit of time on Boogaloo haunts as of late and they are actively organizing this sort of incitement. It's not about "oh black people can't cause property damage", it's about everyone involved receiving the necessary blame.

      7 votes
      1. [3]
        no_exit
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        https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/us/natalie-white-wendys-arson-jail-release/index.html The 'incitement' right-wingers are doing is about attacking the protests, there's been what, a half-dozen...

        Source please.

        https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/us/natalie-white-wendys-arson-jail-release/index.html

        The woman facing first-degree arson charges in the Wendy's restaurant fire that broke out during protests over Rayshard Brooks' death posted bail and was released from jail.

        In body camera video released by police, Brooks can be heard telling the officers who questioned him that Natalie White was his girlfriend.

        The 'incitement' right-wingers are doing is about attacking the protests, there's been what, a half-dozen instances of attempted vehicular homicide? That charge doesn't even make sense in the umbrella man case, cop cars had already been burned and plenty of windows smashed before he was there. The entire 'outside agitator' narrative is a counter-propaganda line that has been used for literally centuries against the civil rights movement and slavery abolitionists before them.

        3 votes
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          Loire
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          I really suggest you search the boogaloo tag and get a feel for what their deal is. I've posted a couple good links a few months ago. We are discussing past eachother. Until you know what their...

          I really suggest you search the boogaloo tag and get a feel for what their deal is. I've posted a couple good links a few months ago.

          We are discussing past eachother. Until you know what their motive is you won't understand why they have been discussing this eventuality for years. I literally work with these people, so I'm not sure who is trying to propagandize me. I know a.number of them in real life (although none that have gone to the protests). These mass protests are exactly what they have been dreaming of for the last five years, and despite the fact that they aren't quite going as hard as their anonymous plans online, to pretend like they don't exist is ignorant.

          5 votes
          1. no_exit
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            Good thing I didn't then, and I'm familiar with the Boogaloo movement. Liberals are so concerned about property destruction that they're doing cop work for free and helping put protestors in jail,...

            to pretend like they don't exist is ignorant.

            Good thing I didn't then, and I'm familiar with the Boogaloo movement. Liberals are so concerned about property destruction that they're doing cop work for free and helping put protestors in jail, and the Boogaloo boys think it's hilarious.

            5 votes
    2. deciduous
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      Thanks for saying this. It really frustrates me that even after months of these protests people are still willing to take police at their word. I've lost track of the number of times police lied...

      Thanks for saying this. It really frustrates me that even after months of these protests people are still willing to take police at their word. I've lost track of the number of times police lied about demonstrations.

      I know for some it can be comforting to think that all the bad stuff is being done by "outside agitators", but this narrative gives more leeway for the police to crack down.

      Lastly, while most property damage isn't great, the violence enacted by the police against protesters so far outweighs the property damage done by the protests that even talking about it feels like missing the point.

      4 votes
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    ohyran
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    I am being extra careful because this is on a different continent, in a different culture than mine and I have zero knowledge of it. Whatever said here, please take that in to account. I am not,...

    I am being extra careful because this is on a different continent, in a different culture than mine and I have zero knowledge of it. Whatever said here, please take that in to account. I am not, will not and will never be, an authority on this.

    Isn't that a bit oversimplifying what a riot is? Very seldom a riot is planned. Sure people prep for violence, that happens in a lot of cases. And in the case of the few multiday riots I've been at, you plan in advance to ensure that you are protected etc etc etc. But someone just trashing a store front feels ... a tad odd. I mean that doesn't start anything and just some random person in an umbrella feels a bit weak sauce.

    Now I have (as stated) NO BLESSED CLUE about how the US is, so everything here in is pure speculation, arse-guessing and just asking) but here the cops are not responding with violence when that happens, since they also plan ahead. This since the Anti-EU riots 2001, where they learned quickly that show-of-force feels good as news but is really the worst possible way to deal with protests (since it starts more riots than it ends).
    My main source of information is a Linux dude who's gone all Trump-is-best that I use as a litmus test for my own opinions (if they are too close to his I need to reevaluate and investigate them to see if they hold mustard). So again - this is me asking for further information

    3 votes
    1. Loire
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      When people are on edge in a large crowd, a single act by a provocateur can set the entire group off. It's mob mentality. We have seen enough videos where even protestors recognize this and...

      Isn't that a bit oversimplifying what a riot is? Very seldom a riot is planned. Sure people prep for violence, that happens in a lot of cases. And in the case of the few multiday riots I've been at, you plan in advance to ensure that you are protected etc etc etc. But someone just trashing a store front feels ... a tad odd. I mean that doesn't start anything and just some random person in an umbrella feels a bit weak sauce.

      When people are on edge in a large crowd, a single act by a provocateur can set the entire group off. It's mob mentality. We have seen enough videos where even protestors recognize this and attempt to stamp out the unnecessary destruction.

      In certain internet groups the eventuality of mass riots in America has been discussed as a means of advancing certain goals. If, say, you were intent on starting a "war" with the federal government but recognized you don't have the population of followers to succeed, mass riots across the country would coincidentally mobilize a population of people in favour of your goals. These people normally would not support your ideology, but their anger can be redirected in your favour.

      These are the sorts of thing the Boogaloo movement in the US has been discussing for sometime now. Don't get me wrong, these are internet hard men and they haven't acted out in the same force their internet postings suggested. Most of them turned out to be full of hot air, but some of them have certainly taken this to be the moment they were waiting for.

      And that is just one group. Left leaning anarchists might want to invite destruction. Undercover Trump supporters may see inciting violence as a good way to usher in an increasingly authoritarian response. Certain members of the black community are also responsible.

      But the point is large groups of people tend to be mindless and prone to reaction. At the right time a single act of destruction can set the whole crowd off.

      6 votes
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      pvik
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      This is something that any policing force worth their salt know at this point; "Thanks" to the riots in Ireland and how the British handled that situation. What is happening in US, if I have to...

      show-of-force feels good as news but is really the worst possible way to deal with protests

      This is something that any policing force worth their salt know at this point; "Thanks" to the riots in Ireland and how the British handled that situation.

      What is happening in US, if I have to guess (emphasis guess), with regards to escalating violence in these protests, it works well for Trump as a distraction from his abysmal response to Covid, and also helps the narrative of his campaign ads [1]

      My main source of information is a Linux dude who's gone all Trump-is-best

      Is this a personal acquaintance or someone in the Linux community?

      4 votes
      1. ohyran
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        No no just a former "big name" in the Linux blogosphere (sry had to say "blogosphere" was too long since I got to say that)

        No no just a former "big name" in the Linux blogosphere (sry had to say "blogosphere" was too long since I got to say that)

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