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An article of impeachment has been passed. Donald Trump is the first President of the United States to be impeached twice.

The House has passed an article of impeachment accusing Trump of "incitement of insurrection", making him the first president in the history of the United States to be impeached twice.

Here is a table breaking down the votes:

Party Yea Nay Present NV
Democrat 222
Republican 10 197 4
Total 232 197 4

Link to the C-SPAN livestream, if you want to go back and watch:

22 comments

  1. [10]
    Thrabalen
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    It's shameful. They've chosen GOP over USA. Never let them live it down. The party of "law and order" is no more.

    Once the voting is completed, I will add a table breaking down the votes. So far less than a dozen Republicans have voted for the resolution.

    It's shameful. They've chosen GOP over USA. Never let them live it down. The party of "law and order" is no more.

    29 votes
    1. [3]
      cfabbro
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      The on-air WaPo reporters speculated that a bunch may have chosen personal safety over USA. They may be legitimately scared for their own and their families lives by openly voting against Trump at...

      They've chosen GOP over USA.

      The on-air WaPo reporters speculated that a bunch may have chosen personal safety over USA. They may be legitimately scared for their own and their families lives by openly voting against Trump at this point... so basically, the terrorism from the other day worked.

      24 votes
      1. [2]
        suspended
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        Argument Counter argument
        18 votes
        1. vord
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          I'm inclined to side with that counter-argument. The GOP has been courting and riling up this fanatical userbase for quite some time. What's that old saying...you reap what you sow? It would be...

          I'm inclined to side with that counter-argument.

          The GOP has been courting and riling up this fanatical userbase for quite some time.

          What's that old saying...you reap what you sow?

          It would be quite poetic for the fascist-enablers to be killed not by the anti-fascists, but by the fascists for daring to cross them.

          14 votes
    2. [5]
      thundergolfer
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      If you're hoping they'll no longer be able to use "Law and Order" rhetoric to motivate their base, I've got bad news for you. "Law and Order" people never actually cared about law and never cared...

      The party of "law and order" is no more.

      If you're hoping they'll no longer be able to use "Law and Order" rhetoric to motivate their base, I've got bad news for you. "Law and Order" people never actually cared about law and never cared about order. That's been known for decades even in mainstream liberal circles.

      17 votes
      1. [4]
        vord
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        "Law and Order" has always seemed a code for "Peace is more important than Justice".

        "Law and Order" has always seemed a code for "Peace is more important than Justice".

        9 votes
        1. [2]
          Tlon_Uqbar
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          It's code for "put brown people in jail."

          It's code for "put brown people in jail."

          8 votes
          1. thundergolfer
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            Exactly.

            Exactly.

            Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect...

            3 votes
        2. thundergolfer
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          Which implies that the "Peace" is Dr King's "Negative Peace", which is the absence of conflict. He calls "Positive Peace" the presence of justice.

          Which implies that the "Peace" is Dr King's "Negative Peace", which is the absence of conflict. He calls "Positive Peace" the presence of justice.

          8 votes
    3. vord
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      Not just the GOP. Trumpism. Or rather, fascism. 197 members of congress voted to support the fascist. Again. Everyone who thinks getting rid of Trump fixes the problem is sorely mistaken.

      They've chosen GOP over USA.

      Not just the GOP. Trumpism. Or rather, fascism. 197 members of congress voted to support the fascist. Again.

      Everyone who thinks getting rid of Trump fixes the problem is sorely mistaken.

      8 votes
  2. [3]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Wikipedia has already been updated. Which impeachment did you mean?

    Wikipedia has already been updated. Which impeachment did you mean?

    19 votes
    1. [2]
      Liru
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      The first article starts off in a way that made me laugh.

      The first article starts off in a way that made me laugh.

      Not to be confused with Second impeachment of Donald Trump.

      20 votes
  3. dredmorbius
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    WaPo: TRUMP IMPEACHED AGAIN https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/13/trump-impeachment-biden-transition-live-updates/ NPR: A majority of the House have voted to impeach Donald John Trump...

    WaPo: TRUMP IMPEACHED AGAIN

    The House voted Wednesday to impeach President Trump an unprecedented second time, on a charge of “inciting violence” against the U.S. government. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) left open the possibility of voting to convict at a trial, which would occur after Trump leaves office next week.

    During debate on the House floor, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Trump “bears responsibility” for last week’s violent takeover of the Capitol but argued against impeachment so close to the end of his term. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) called Trump “a clear and present danger” and said “he must go.” ...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/13/trump-impeachment-biden-transition-live-updates/

    NPR: A majority of the House have voted to impeach Donald John Trump for the second time

    Ten Republicans have joined with all Democrats who've yet voted. Voting continues, but the outcome is certain.

    13 votes
  4. [8]
    stu2b50
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    Conviction in the senate is going to be an... interesting affair. McConnell already said he will not reconvene before the 19th, so the trial will occur during the Biden administration with the new...

    Conviction in the senate is going to be an... interesting affair. McConnell already said he will not reconvene before the 19th, so the trial will occur during the Biden administration with the new senate. Schumer, then, has a somewhat difficult decision. Biden reportedly is not super happy with this, since he wants to focus on his COVID legislation in the first weeks of his administration

    On the other hand, there is a surprisingly real possibility Trump could be convicted if the reports that McConnell is in favor of conviction, then I could definitely see a supermajority vote for the conviction. Also, remember, you need to convict before you bar Trump from holding public office (which is only a simple majority). So effectively that's also a supermajority vote.

    I could see McConnell convicting Trump, but doing so in an extremely laborious and time consuming trial - that way he hampers the Biden administration and gets to disassociate Trump from establishment GOP.

    There's also the possibility the Schumer senate delays the trial, although I think the longer you delay it the more the tailwind from the Wednesday attack falls off.

    12 votes
    1. [5]
      skybrian
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      Another question is whether an impeachment trial is legal after the Trump is out of office. The Washington Post has published opposing opinions on this: Once Trump leaves office, the Senate can’t...

      Another question is whether an impeachment trial is legal after the Trump is out of office. The Washington Post has published opposing opinions on this:

      Once Trump leaves office, the Senate can’t hold an impeachment trial

      The Senate can constitutionally hold an impeachment trial after Trump leaves office

      They both sound pretty convincing to me, so I don't know what to tell you. I guess, if it comes to that, the Supreme Court will decide?

      I wonder what the members of Congress who voted for this think, or if they care? Maybe this impeachment will turn out to be symbolic and there won't be a trial, and they are fine with that?

      9 votes
      1. Omnicrola
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        For me, it's the simple comparison that in what other job/organization could you quit before they fired you, and not have that same company blacklist you from ever working there again? One has...

        For me, it's the simple comparison that in what other job/organization could you quit before they fired you, and not have that same company blacklist you from ever working there again? One has nothing to do with the other.

        I'm sure if we asked around we could find a thick stack of examples of contractors that where absolute shit, but instead of going through the headache of firing them their managers just opted not to renew their contact.

        That's pretty much what's happening here, except in the last week before the contract expired, the contacted employee started yelling that the board of directors are all out to get him and convicted a bunch of people to go crash their meeting. While armed.

        4 votes
      2. [3]
        culturedleftfoot
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        I'd been wondering about this. What difference does any of this make at this point? I'm reminded of that "I strenuously object" scene from A Few Good Men.

        I'd been wondering about this. What difference does any of this make at this point? I'm reminded of that "I strenuously object" scene from A Few Good Men.

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          MimicSquid
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          Preventing him from ever holding office again would be nice.

          Preventing him from ever holding office again would be nice.

          8 votes
          1. Good_Apollo
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            Who’s to say the RNC even wants and allows him to run again under the party? I guess the real question is how many of his millions of votes were for Trump or just for the “R” next to his name.

            Who’s to say the RNC even wants and allows him to run again under the party?

            I guess the real question is how many of his millions of votes were for Trump or just for the “R” next to his name.

            2 votes
    2. [2]
      Halfloaf
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      If somehow the conviction occurs on the 19th, would that then make Pence the shortest-serving President of the United States?

      If somehow the conviction occurs on the 19th, would that then make Pence the shortest-serving President of the United States?

      4 votes
      1. stu2b50
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        Yes, it would be a great trivia question for the future. Note that the 25th amendment would only make Pence acting president (the 25th's 3rd section has actually been invoked twice before). But...

        Yes, it would be a great trivia question for the future.

        Note that the 25th amendment would only make Pence acting president (the 25th's 3rd section has actually been invoked twice before). But conviction and removal would make Pence actual president by order of succession.

        9 votes