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Andrew Yang is running for Mayor of New York City

25 comments

  1. [21]
    Amarok
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    Too slow America, he's ours now, and you can't have him back in 2024. Once he's done making quick work of NYC's economic issues he can move on to governor and do the same for the state. Then maybe...

    Too slow America, he's ours now, and you can't have him back in 2024. Once he's done making quick work of NYC's economic issues he can move on to governor and do the same for the state. Then maybe if you ask nicely we'll let him out to play in DC for a while.

    13 votes
    1. [3]
      vord
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      I'm suspecting Yang knew he never had a shot at the Dem nomination. But it sure made his name recognizable and will serve as a nice foundation to run for a lesser office. Which I suspect was the...

      I'm suspecting Yang knew he never had a shot at the Dem nomination.

      But it sure made his name recognizable and will serve as a nice foundation to run for a lesser office.

      Which I suspect was the strategy for at least 2/3 of the candidates running for that nomination.

      9 votes
      1. [2]
        Omnicrola
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        I mean, it worked out for Biden in the long run 😋

        I mean, it worked out for Biden in the long run 😋

        4 votes
        1. Eabryt
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          I'm truly hoping this is the final year of electing super old people to President. Next up, the Legislative branch.

          I'm truly hoping this is the final year of electing super old people to President. Next up, the Legislative branch.

          7 votes
    2. [17]
      Parliament
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      I question an upstater referring to NYC as "ours"!

      I question an upstater referring to NYC as "ours"!

      6 votes
      1. [15]
        Amarok
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        Hah, f this upstate vs downstate business. What's good for NYC is good for NY.

        Hah, f this upstate vs downstate business. What's good for NYC is good for NY.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          boredop
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          Can you tell that to Cuomo?

          Can you tell that to Cuomo?

          5 votes
          1. Amarok
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            He's not listening, he's become a covid-covid-covid zombie. The rates are already on the decline again state wide, but we haven't got widespread activity here from the new strains yet, either....

            He's not listening, he's become a covid-covid-covid zombie. The rates are already on the decline again state wide, but we haven't got widespread activity here from the new strains yet, either. Looks like that new strain didn't make it here in time for the holidays, so we got lucky.

            That state of the state plan sounds lovely, but this is Albany, grains of salt the size of rocks of crack are mandatory. It hinges on the federal gov returning our tax money to fund it all (and to fund NYC's pilot UBI program, if Yang wins).

        2. [12]
          Parliament
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          Ha! Well I'm happy for y'all and will be rooting for Yang.

          Ha! Well I'm happy for y'all and will be rooting for Yang.

          3 votes
          1. [11]
            tindall
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            Isn't Andrew Yang the guy with a bunch of alt-right supporters?

            Isn't Andrew Yang the guy with a bunch of alt-right supporters?

            1. [9]
              Amarok
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              He has the libertarians, not the alt-right. Most of the libertarians I know have hated trump since the first moment he took the stage during the RNC debates, including me.

              He has the libertarians, not the alt-right. Most of the libertarians I know have hated trump since the first moment he took the stage during the RNC debates, including me.

              6 votes
              1. [8]
                tindall
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                Well, he may have the libertarians (by which I assume you mean right-libs, not libertarian socialists?), but he does also have a bunch of alt-right followers, both of which make me pretty...

                Well, he may have the libertarians (by which I assume you mean right-libs, not libertarian socialists?), but he does also have a bunch of alt-right followers, both of which make me pretty distrustful that he'll do anything substantial to reverse the rightward course of NYC city policy.

                2 votes
                1. [6]
                  stu2b50
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                  It seems pretty unfair to judge someone on the people that choose to follow them - that's not exactly something the candidate can control apart from their platform. So based on Yang's presidential...

                  It seems pretty unfair to judge someone on the people that choose to follow them - that's not exactly something the candidate can control apart from their platform.

                  So based on Yang's presidential platform is there anything to indicate he's a trumpist or conservative?

                  8 votes
                  1. Amarok
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                    Honestly, it says more about the strength of his sales pitch and policy phrasing. He's very, very good at courting conservatives with his policy plans. That could serve him well in NY where we are...

                    Honestly, it says more about the strength of his sales pitch and policy phrasing. He's very, very good at courting conservatives with his policy plans. That could serve him well in NY where we are a purple state predominantly outside of NYC.

                    4 votes
                  2. [4]
                    tindall
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                    Well, his site is super broken, so I've largely not been going by that; when you click through to specific policy proposals on "A Pathway to Citizenship", for example, you get his home page....

                    Well, his site is super broken, so I've largely not been going by that; when you click through to specific policy proposals on "A Pathway to Citizenship", for example, you get his home page.

                    Looking at the Politico issues page, as well as what he's said in general, the major issue that stands out to me is his extreme naivety. He is naive on race, seems to believe that slapping "Blockchain" on hard problems like voting solves them. He supports leaving minimum wage up to the states rather than increasing it federally. A federal minimum wage of 7.25 is one of the most damaging policies in the Union for working-class people.

                    He has no commitment to reparations, he has sidestepped questions about charter schools, is in favor of the Electoral College, and is against M4A, thinks we shouldn't pursue antitrust against tech giants, is in favor of TPP2.0, and is in favor of a southern border wall pending approval by "experts", whatever that means.

                    He's okay on capital gains, a bit noncommittal but generally okay on specific climate policies, and has a few choice progressive-sounding policies like background checks and, of course, a pittance of a UBI.

                    At best, he is a milquetoast liberal with one gimmick of a policy that appeals to people who recognize that the system is broken but can't stomach anything that smells too much like socialism. At worst, he is, frankly, a deeply naive techbro who is building a base by appealing to largely young men with very weird policy statements like being anticircumcision while being totally noncommittal or not commenting at all on some of the most pressing issues in the nation regarding race.

                    4 votes
                    1. [2]
                      stu2b50
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                      I think that's an OK picture of him as a candidate. Imo a little unfair, but I would also say he's left-liberal economically with a touch of socialism, and has mostly default centrist Democrat...

                      At best, he is a milquetoast liberal with one gimmick of a policy that appeals to people who recognize that the system is broken but can't stomach anything that smells too much like socialism.

                      I think that's an OK picture of him as a candidate. Imo a little unfair, but I would also say he's left-liberal economically with a touch of socialism, and has mostly default centrist Democrat views on social issues.

                      But that is far from conservative, and while he has hints of Trump-like attributes - "businessman", populist, headline populist policies like his UBI (akin to Trump's wall) - it's an incredibly dangerous and disingenuous PoV to simply look at the fact that he has some in-determinant amount of Trump supporters of dubious genuineness online during the primaries and question his candidacy on that. Really that should be irrelevant.

                      7 votes
                      1. tindall
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                        I don't really see this at all. Socialism is about the workers owning the means of production - he just wants to tax the rich a bit. That's a good idea, but it's not socialism. Perhaps the most...

                        a touch of socialism

                        I don't really see this at all. Socialism is about the workers owning the means of production - he just wants to tax the rich a bit. That's a good idea, but it's not socialism.

                        it's an incredibly dangerous and disingenuous PoV to simply look at the fact that he has some in-determinant amount of Trump supporters of dubious genuineness online during the primaries and question his candidacy on that. Really that should be irrelevant.

                        Perhaps the most positively impactful phrase anyone has ever said to me is: "When someone tells you who they are, believe them." Yang is not a white supremacist or white nationalist, nor does he support them. Beyond that, he has not denounced the racist leanings of many of his supporters. He has written for Quillette, one of the most reactionary publications out there that is not explicitly racist in charter.

                        So yes. He is not a white supremacist, but that is as much as I can say.

                        2 votes
                    2. bloup
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                      I don’t think Andrew Yang is perfect, and there is a lot where I disagree, but I like him because he is willing to talk about some things that I really don’t think people give enough thought to,...

                      I don’t think Andrew Yang is perfect, and there is a lot where I disagree, but I like him because he is willing to talk about some things that I really don’t think people give enough thought to, and he seems like a very pragmatic person, focusing on trying to get people to come up with creative, novel, and innovative solutions to the problems we face. I think this is the real reason for his broad appeal.

                      2 votes
                2. Amarok
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                  He talks a good game. He hasn't been tested yet. I wouldn't expect left or right policies from him, he's in the common-sense camp. So far he's got a rather bare bones policy page which I'm just...

                  He talks a good game. He hasn't been tested yet. I wouldn't expect left or right policies from him, he's in the common-sense camp. So far he's got a rather bare bones policy page which I'm just starting to dig into. When he was running for president he was over 200 policy plans, so I expect that list is going to get a lot bigger over the next couple of weeks.

                  4 votes
            2. Sil
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              From what I saw there was some amount of overlap between the Trump crowd and at least the online Andrew Yang, but it wasn't representative of his base or likely to be sincere. He was an easy...

              From what I saw there was some amount of overlap between the Trump crowd and at least the online Andrew Yang, but it wasn't representative of his base or likely to be sincere.

              He was an easy vector for the right wing to complain about things on the left, in the same way Bernie was to some extent. Both were outsiders of the DNC establishment / arguably had some biased media coverage / courted a working class with perceived grievances with "neoliberal" policies / etc.

              In any interview I saw he was far from supporting alt-right policies or values.

              3 votes
      2. Qis
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        Ha, what is your question?

        Ha, what is your question?

        1 vote
  2. [4]
    dubteedub
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    This is the piece that I have seen get the most attention It seems pretty tone deaf to bemoan having to juggle working from home with two kids in virtual school. It also seems odd to me that one...

    This is the piece that I have seen get the most attention

    Yang and his wife, Evelyn, who is featured prominently in his campaign launch video, spent much of the last year of the pandemic outside of New York City, at his weekend home in upstate New Paltz. He defended his decision by pointing to the quarantine situations that thousands, if not millions, of New York City residents have lived through.

    “Can you imagine trying to have two kids on virtual school in a two-bedroom apartment, and then trying to do work yourself?” Yang said in an interview with the New York Times in January, a quote that immediately drew scorn from candidates in the race.

    It seems pretty tone deaf to bemoan having to juggle working from home with two kids in virtual school.

    It also seems odd to me that one of his campaign pledges is bringing TikTok Hype Houses to NYC. Like there are clearly more important things out there than attracting wealthy young teens to the city to make internet content.

    It will be interesting to see how his campaign goes.

    12 votes
    1. [2]
      boredop
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      https://twitter.com/RossBarkan/status/1349743449814274048 One of my colleagues, a reporter who covers city hall, quoted this and said, "this answer needs some work." LOL.

      https://twitter.com/RossBarkan/status/1349743449814274048

      Time for Q&A. @AndrewYang asked why he didn't vote in mayoral elections and why he left NYC during the pandemic for a second home. "I would definitely admit to being one of approximately 87 percent of New Yorkers" who didn't vote in a local election

      One of my colleagues, a reporter who covers city hall, quoted this and said, "this answer needs some work." LOL.

      10 votes
      1. Omnicrola
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        I love the guy, but he does have some cringe moments PR wise. A lot of his appeal is in the off-the-cuff kind of honesty (in a good way, as opposed to Trump's verbal diarrhea), but the flip side...

        I love the guy, but he does have some cringe moments PR wise. A lot of his appeal is in the off-the-cuff kind of honesty (in a good way, as opposed to Trump's verbal diarrhea), but the flip side is that you get some accidental cringe.

        10 votes
    2. Amarok
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      This is why I want him to win in NYC. That's the perfect place to put all of these modern ideas into practice and find out if they work, or not. It's make or break time. All the science says it'll...

      This is why I want him to win in NYC. That's the perfect place to put all of these modern ideas into practice and find out if they work, or not. It's make or break time. All the science says it'll work great, but none of that science ever tested this sort of welfare program at scale.

      Yang has already been on every podcast in NY a couple of times while running for president. He wasted no time getting back on The Breakfast Club. Good questions for him too.

      Edit: Another day, another long form interview, this time Hot 97. His competition had better start keeping up with the interviews. This guy does not sleep, fair warning. :)

      NYT wasting no time with the hit piece either.

      4 votes