First, this reminds me so much of this Onion video from 2009. We're living at a time where the coverage of such events is so comically in-depth, it's absolutely baffling. Also people chanting...
First, this reminds me so much of this Onion video from 2009. We're living at a time where the coverage of such events is so comically in-depth, it's absolutely baffling. Also people chanting "treason" while committing treason is just... well, I'd say ironic but we're kinda living in a post-irony society. So what is it? Sad? A lot of these people also come off as painfully "nerdy", like when you're yelling things that sound funny/smart as a typed-out sentence on an image board but feel awkward in real-life, when you can't just imagine it being said in the exactly right tone and context. I could imagine a lot of these people attending My Little Pony conventions.
Still, this whole shit is disturbing in a NSFL kinda way. People died and while I don't know whether any of the videos show it, you can just feel it in the air the whole time. These people came with the intention to kill anyone in their way.
I’m not sure if they were trolls, but I remember there was a faction of neo nazi bronies back when there were such things as My Little Pony conventions.
I’m not sure if they were trolls, but I remember there was a faction of neo nazi bronies back when there were such things as My Little Pony conventions.
Yea, internet "humor" is over, I'm not buying the "troll" argument anymore. I'm sure in the early days of 4chan or whatever there were people who'd mimic nazis for the absurdity of it but that was...
Yea, internet "humor" is over, I'm not buying the "troll" argument anymore. I'm sure in the early days of 4chan or whatever there were people who'd mimic nazis for the absurdity of it but that was when the idea of actual nazis invading these nerdy safe spaces was absurd. But they actually did it. Like, actual terrorists and mass murderers post hilarious right-wing memes and that shit just collapsed in on itself.
It might have been a joke when people first claimed the OK sign stands for white power but once actual nazis start using it and being all-too-in on the joke, it becomes a white power sign. Good job, you just ruined a perfectly normal had sign. The right has fully weaponized meme culture and any not-actually-nazis who, for years, fueled that shit through an attitude that it's "edgy" and "hilarious" and "free speech" is complicit in the outcome. We'll see government shutdowns or self-censorship of large parts of the internet because they've successfully proven that self-control is not an option. Sure hope it was worth that 15 minute rush of power while typing memes in your parent's basement.
Sadly, even furries weren't left out. Reading about the saga of Foxler, the Furry Raiders and the fall of the Rocky Mountain Fur Con is quite the rollercoaster. It's even got a sex offender and a...
Sadly, even furries weren't left out. Reading about the saga of Foxler, the Furry Raiders and the fall of the Rocky Mountain Fur Con is quite the rollercoaster. It's even got a sex offender and a sovereign citizen in it.
They're linked at the top, but there are also two other articles they posted as part of this that are worth looking at too: Why We Published More Than 500 Videos Taken by Parler Users of the...
They're linked at the top, but there are also two other articles they posted as part of this that are worth looking at too:
I avoided watching the videos because frankly, I had enough of them when they were happening. But honestly, reading direct quotes from these people makes me have so much frustrated sadness that...
I avoided watching the videos because frankly, I had enough of them when they were happening. But honestly, reading direct quotes from these people makes me have so much frustrated sadness that It's hard to contain it all.
I understand what it's like to drink the kool-ade. It's nice to be able to post a popular talking point and get tons of positive feedback based on it. But these talking points are so incredibly divorced from reality and these people are so dedicated to those falsehoods that they become their reality. And the sad thing is that it's so incredibly easy to think one's way out of these.
These people in the riots are upset because they think the election was stolen from them. Surely they know that elections are held by the States? Why haven't they tried rioting into the state capitols instead?
I'm just tired of this. We need to fix this. And frankly, I don't care if that means throwing out the first amendment anymore. We need to hold people accountable for the ways they speak just the same as we do when they act poorly.
I agree, misinformation has become a huge problem and it has the potential to get much worse. It's not a new problem, but the scale the digital revolution has given it is new. Which means we need...
I agree, misinformation has become a huge problem and it has the potential to get much worse. It's not a new problem, but the scale the digital revolution has given it is new. Which means we need new solutions.
Don't get sucked into the first amendment conversation though. We don't need to throw out the first amendment. And the next time a sociopathic narcissist gets hold of the reins we'll be glad we didn't.
Platforms doing moderation isn't a free speech issue, the first amendment has no rational place in that conversation. And hopefully much of the solution will be found there. The threat of legislation may turn out to be more effective than actual legislation.
Some of the problem is cultural, that part is on us. Which is a big conversation that probably belongs in a different thread.
The part of the solution that's legislative (if it comes to that) is also a nuanced conversation. One that's full of slippery slopes. Probably that's what you're referring to when you suggest trading free speech for sanity. But history tells us that if we do that the chances are high it will eventually be used as a weapon against the wrong people.
Fear, anger and resignation almost never lead to laws that either protect or enhance freedom long term.
To be clear, the worry I was expressing in that earlier comment was not actually about social media. I was worrying about authoritarian sources of opinion; mouthpieces like Ben Shapiro, Tucker...
To be clear, the worry I was expressing in that earlier comment was not actually about social media. I was worrying about authoritarian sources of opinion; mouthpieces like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Etc. and the media outlets that support them. It's only in extreme cases that so-called 'neutral' media censures them, so in most cases they stay in place because they're making them money. Or in the worst cases, they are being run by evil and corrupt people who are actively trying to publish the poisonous rhetoric.
And the worst thing is that there are a lot of the poison-pushers, and they are extremely popular to the point that they have replaced legitimate news sources for a large percentage of the population.
First, this reminds me so much of this Onion video from 2009. We're living at a time where the coverage of such events is so comically in-depth, it's absolutely baffling. Also people chanting "treason" while committing treason is just... well, I'd say ironic but we're kinda living in a post-irony society. So what is it? Sad? A lot of these people also come off as painfully "nerdy", like when you're yelling things that sound funny/smart as a typed-out sentence on an image board but feel awkward in real-life, when you can't just imagine it being said in the exactly right tone and context. I could imagine a lot of these people attending My Little Pony conventions.
Still, this whole shit is disturbing in a NSFL kinda way. People died and while I don't know whether any of the videos show it, you can just feel it in the air the whole time. These people came with the intention to kill anyone in their way.
I’m not sure if they were trolls, but I remember there was a faction of neo nazi bronies back when there were such things as My Little Pony conventions.
Yea, internet "humor" is over, I'm not buying the "troll" argument anymore. I'm sure in the early days of 4chan or whatever there were people who'd mimic nazis for the absurdity of it but that was when the idea of actual nazis invading these nerdy safe spaces was absurd. But they actually did it. Like, actual terrorists and mass murderers post hilarious right-wing memes and that shit just collapsed in on itself.
It might have been a joke when people first claimed the OK sign stands for white power but once actual nazis start using it and being all-too-in on the joke, it becomes a white power sign. Good job, you just ruined a perfectly normal had sign. The right has fully weaponized meme culture and any not-actually-nazis who, for years, fueled that shit through an attitude that it's "edgy" and "hilarious" and "free speech" is complicit in the outcome. We'll see government shutdowns or self-censorship of large parts of the internet because they've successfully proven that self-control is not an option. Sure hope it was worth that 15 minute rush of power while typing memes in your parent's basement.
Sure. Still, white nationalists have a new toy thanks to those dorks.
"My Little Pony Fans Are Ready to Admit They Have a Nazi Problem", sadly not a satirical Onion article.
Yeah, it was a big problem in the community.
Sadly, even furries weren't left out. Reading about the saga of Foxler, the Furry Raiders and the fall of the Rocky Mountain Fur Con is quite the rollercoaster. It's even got a sex offender and a sovereign citizen in it.
They're linked at the top, but there are also two other articles they posted as part of this that are worth looking at too:
I avoided watching the videos because frankly, I had enough of them when they were happening. But honestly, reading direct quotes from these people makes me have so much frustrated sadness that It's hard to contain it all.
I understand what it's like to drink the kool-ade. It's nice to be able to post a popular talking point and get tons of positive feedback based on it. But these talking points are so incredibly divorced from reality and these people are so dedicated to those falsehoods that they become their reality. And the sad thing is that it's so incredibly easy to think one's way out of these.
These people in the riots are upset because they think the election was stolen from them. Surely they know that elections are held by the States? Why haven't they tried rioting into the state capitols instead?
I'm just tired of this. We need to fix this. And frankly, I don't care if that means throwing out the first amendment anymore. We need to hold people accountable for the ways they speak just the same as we do when they act poorly.
I don't want to be a bummer but they were planning protests at statehouses it is just that so far they've been smaller and more calm
I agree, misinformation has become a huge problem and it has the potential to get much worse. It's not a new problem, but the scale the digital revolution has given it is new. Which means we need new solutions.
Don't get sucked into the first amendment conversation though. We don't need to throw out the first amendment. And the next time a sociopathic narcissist gets hold of the reins we'll be glad we didn't.
Platforms doing moderation isn't a free speech issue, the first amendment has no rational place in that conversation. And hopefully much of the solution will be found there. The threat of legislation may turn out to be more effective than actual legislation.
Some of the problem is cultural, that part is on us. Which is a big conversation that probably belongs in a different thread.
The part of the solution that's legislative (if it comes to that) is also a nuanced conversation. One that's full of slippery slopes. Probably that's what you're referring to when you suggest trading free speech for sanity. But history tells us that if we do that the chances are high it will eventually be used as a weapon against the wrong people.
Fear, anger and resignation almost never lead to laws that either protect or enhance freedom long term.
To be clear, the worry I was expressing in that earlier comment was not actually about social media. I was worrying about authoritarian sources of opinion; mouthpieces like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Etc. and the media outlets that support them. It's only in extreme cases that so-called 'neutral' media censures them, so in most cases they stay in place because they're making them money. Or in the worst cases, they are being run by evil and corrupt people who are actively trying to publish the poisonous rhetoric.
And the worst thing is that there are a lot of the poison-pushers, and they are extremely popular to the point that they have replaced legitimate news sources for a large percentage of the population.
This is very good and reminds me of some of Forensic Architecture's analyses.