Is this move not just outright hostile to American automakers? Is the conservative spin "EVs bad" really enough to overshadow the bad optics from pulling the rug out on American businesses? I know...
Is this move not just outright hostile to American automakers? Is the conservative spin "EVs bad" really enough to overshadow the bad optics from pulling the rug out on American businesses? I know the right tends to ignore following policy through to it's roots and sticks on the culture war face of things, but I'm surprised if this would be received popularly unless automakers are in favor of loosing the sales. I guess maybe they'll still get sales for fuel power vehicles instead. I have to imagine whiplash every 4 years to be getting kind of exhausting though.
From the article: … It seems they haven’t figured out how to do it and might not succeed, but they’re going to try, and the market takes that somewhat seriously.
From the article:
The sources told Reuters that Trump’s transition team is now reviewing how it can unwind the postal service's multibillion-dollar contracts, including with Oshkosh (OSK.N), opens new tab and Ford (F.N), opens new tab, for tens of thousands of battery-driven delivery trucks and charging stations.
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The USPS is an autonomous federal agency with its own governing board, making severing the contract legally challenging. But Trump's stated policy aims are poised to test the boundaries of executive power on a range of issues, from trade to federal spending.
In a note published on Friday, analysts from the investment banking firm Jefferies said they don't see a total cancellation as likely, but said the mix of vehicles could shift away from EVs and toward fuel-powered.
It seems they haven’t figured out how to do it and might not succeed, but they’re going to try, and the market takes that somewhat seriously.
Yea, the main method of a dictator taking over "legally" is to perpetually increase the boundries of his power until it just becomes "his word is law" and everything else is just a puppet show. If...
Yea, the main method of a dictator taking over "legally" is to perpetually increase the boundries of his power until it just becomes "his word is law" and everything else is just a puppet show.
If he can cancel that contract, it paves the way to do that across the board.
You make it sound like a sudden move, but creeping authoritarianism takes time. Seems like Trump could easily run out of time? The administration is trying to hit the ground running. We are seeing...
You make it sound like a sudden move, but creeping authoritarianism takes time. Seems like Trump could easily run out of time?
The administration is trying to hit the ground running. We are seeing a lot of bluster, which is easy enough, but have they shown any signs of competence? So far it doesn’t seem to be working all that well. For example, getting Senate approval for appointments. I don’t see there being any “honeymoon period.” It’s not really a new administration. Everyone already knows Trump’s weaknesses.
In Congress, Republicans have very narrow majorities. They might be able to unify on some things, but not necessarily Trump’s priorities.
Also, courts often issue preliminary injunctions against sudden moves and then take their time to think about it.
Another government shutdown would be easy, though. Just do nothing.
The thing is, a lot of this paving has already been done. It's been in the making my entire life...ever since the founding of The Heiratage Foundation. The most immediate thoughts which happened...
The thing is, a lot of this paving has already been done. It's been in the making my entire life...ever since the founding of The Heiratage Foundation. The most immediate thoughts which happened after I came of age:
W Bush pioneered 'war without congressional approval'
Obama used 'assassinate American with drone strike.'
Trump did Schedule F the first time without a gameplan, and this time intends to use it.
Trump also landed a packed-court ruling for "can't be prosecuted for official duties."
You are way more optimistic about Republicans crossing party lines than I am. I hope you're right, but remember that only 3 Republicans dissented to save the ACA. That is a margin too slim for comfort given how seriously bad the ramifications would have been....and will be now since odds are preexisting conditions are back on the table.
While the lower rate of party unity votes gives me a glimmer of hope, the success rate is still high and most of Trumps plans being the typical Republican agenda.
Right now, my brightest hope is that Trump pisses off the military enough that they refuse his illegal orders.
I expect Republican members of Congress will remain Republicans and not cross party lines. But perhaps they're not interested the same kinds of authoritarianism that you're worried about? It seems...
I expect Republican members of Congress will remain Republicans and not cross party lines. But perhaps they're not interested the same kinds of authoritarianism that you're worried about? It seems like they might also be interested in what they see as popular in their district or state, not just what Trump wants?
Also, a Republican-controlled Congress already had the chance to repeal the ACA, but they stopped trying to repeal it once they had the power to actually do it. Symbolic votes are one thing, actually doing it is another.
Anyway, I don't really know what's going to happen. I just wanted to sketch out an alternative scenario so we don't fixate too much on the worst-case ones.
Won't Mr. Doge not like this? Idk if Tesla vehicles are eligible for these credits. Either way, I guess we'll see how much/little influence he actually has with Trump.
Reuters has previously reported that Trump is planning to kill a $7,500 consumer tax credit for electric vehicle purchases, and plans to roll back Biden's stricter fuel-efficiency standards.
Won't Mr. Doge not like this? Idk if Tesla vehicles are eligible for these credits. Either way, I guess we'll see how much/little influence he actually has with Trump.
I think Elon already said he was good with it. He got what he needed from that program already and at this point he's fine with losing it so long as no competition gets to have it either. Tesla is...
I think Elon already said he was good with it. He got what he needed from that program already and at this point he's fine with losing it so long as no competition gets to have it either. Tesla is probably the first brand people think of for electric cars and for the longest time had one of the largest shares of the electric vehicle market. Elon supporting this is basically him pulling up the ladder behind him and hurting electric car competition against Tesla.
Donald Trump's transition team is considering canceling the U.S. Postal Service's contracts to electrify its delivery fleet, as part of a broader suite of executive orders targeting electric vehicles.
Donald Trump's transition team is considering canceling the U.S. Postal Service's contracts to electrify its delivery fleet, as part of a broader suite of executive orders targeting electric vehicles.
Is this move not just outright hostile to American automakers? Is the conservative spin "EVs bad" really enough to overshadow the bad optics from pulling the rug out on American businesses? I know the right tends to ignore following policy through to it's roots and sticks on the culture war face of things, but I'm surprised if this would be received popularly unless automakers are in favor of loosing the sales. I guess maybe they'll still get sales for fuel power vehicles instead. I have to imagine whiplash every 4 years to be getting kind of exhausting though.
From the article:
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It seems they haven’t figured out how to do it and might not succeed, but they’re going to try, and the market takes that somewhat seriously.
Yea, the main method of a dictator taking over "legally" is to perpetually increase the boundries of his power until it just becomes "his word is law" and everything else is just a puppet show.
If he can cancel that contract, it paves the way to do that across the board.
You make it sound like a sudden move, but creeping authoritarianism takes time. Seems like Trump could easily run out of time?
The administration is trying to hit the ground running. We are seeing a lot of bluster, which is easy enough, but have they shown any signs of competence? So far it doesn’t seem to be working all that well. For example, getting Senate approval for appointments. I don’t see there being any “honeymoon period.” It’s not really a new administration. Everyone already knows Trump’s weaknesses.
In Congress, Republicans have very narrow majorities. They might be able to unify on some things, but not necessarily Trump’s priorities.
Also, courts often issue preliminary injunctions against sudden moves and then take their time to think about it.
Another government shutdown would be easy, though. Just do nothing.
The thing is, a lot of this paving has already been done. It's been in the making my entire life...ever since the founding of The Heiratage Foundation. The most immediate thoughts which happened after I came of age:
You are way more optimistic about Republicans crossing party lines than I am. I hope you're right, but remember that only 3 Republicans dissented to save the ACA. That is a margin too slim for comfort given how seriously bad the ramifications would have been....and will be now since odds are preexisting conditions are back on the table.
While the lower rate of party unity votes gives me a glimmer of hope, the success rate is still high and most of Trumps plans being the typical Republican agenda.
Right now, my brightest hope is that Trump pisses off the military enough that they refuse his illegal orders.
I expect Republican members of Congress will remain Republicans and not cross party lines. But perhaps they're not interested the same kinds of authoritarianism that you're worried about? It seems like they might also be interested in what they see as popular in their district or state, not just what Trump wants?
Also, a Republican-controlled Congress already had the chance to repeal the ACA, but they stopped trying to repeal it once they had the power to actually do it. Symbolic votes are one thing, actually doing it is another.
Anyway, I don't really know what's going to happen. I just wanted to sketch out an alternative scenario so we don't fixate too much on the worst-case ones.
Won't Mr. Doge not like this? Idk if Tesla vehicles are eligible for these credits. Either way, I guess we'll see how much/little influence he actually has with Trump.
I think Elon already said he was good with it. He got what he needed from that program already and at this point he's fine with losing it so long as no competition gets to have it either. Tesla is probably the first brand people think of for electric cars and for the longest time had one of the largest shares of the electric vehicle market. Elon supporting this is basically him pulling up the ladder behind him and hurting electric car competition against Tesla.
Yes, this and rolling back EV requirements hurt legacy automakers more than they hurt Tesla.
Pretty much what I’ve read: Tesla assumes it’d be the only remaining viable electric car after a $7500 price bump.
Donald Trump's transition team is considering canceling the U.S. Postal Service's contracts to electrify its delivery fleet, as part of a broader suite of executive orders targeting electric vehicles.