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How US neo-Nazism actually works - from a former neo-Nazi member

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  1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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    I found this video very interesting. I'm going to provide the video description here. I was inspired by the American History X clip because that was exactly who he described. It was interesting...

    I found this video very interesting. I'm going to provide the video description here. I was inspired by the American History X clip because that was exactly who he described.

    It was interesting how restrictive being a member was - because the threat of being a race traitor was ever present, you couldn't engage with things that could suggest you were one.

    Arno Michaelis is a former white nationalist skinhead, lead singer of the neo-Nazi metal band Centurion, and member of Hammerskin Nation, one of the most violent white supremacist gangs in the US.

    From 1987 to 1994, Michaelis played a central role in spreading neo-Nazi ideology through music, street violence, and recruitment efforts across the United States and beyond. His band sold over 20,000 copies of its white supremacist albums within six months.

    Michaelis provides a rare look inside the world of violent extremism, detailing how white nationalist groups recruit young men, fund their operations, and use propaganda to radicalize followers. He describes the brutality of life inside the movement, the constant state of fear and paranoia, and how his involvement led to addiction, crime, and self-destruction.

    After leaving the movement, Michaelis became an anti-hate activist, speaker, and author. He works with Parents for Peace to deradicalize extremists, exposing the tactics used by white nationalist groups and guiding individuals away from the influence of extremism through prevention. He is the author of "My Life After Hate" and "The Gift of Our Wounds," which was cowritten with Pardeep Singh Kaleka, whose father was killed in the Oak Creek Sikh temple shooting.

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    Carrie
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    Good share. My take away is that groups like this are born from people living a life dictated by fear and an over-reliance on force/violence as the mechanism for change or protection. This is...

    Good share. My take away is that groups like this are born from people living a life dictated by fear and an over-reliance on force/violence as the mechanism for change or protection. This is exacerbated by extreme black and white thinking (you're either white or not, you're either with us or not).

    I found it interesting that there was in-fighting amongst skinheads, the anti-racist skinheads vs racist skinheads. Also interesting that the guy said, "first you have to convince the person that they are white and that is their main identity" lol like "just so you know, you are WHITE!" but it makes sense, it's what I hope someone can use to convince women who vote against their best interests that they are "WOMEN" before they are white/rich/etc.(this probably comes off as crass, but I have seen many times people thinking they will be spared when the chopping block comes because they are "different" from the other girls...)

    I'm also grossed out, but not shocked, that so much of this desire to join groups like this comes from not having a girlfriend? Like, is this really some people's entire identity? Whether they have a partner or not?(partner is a generous term, because I suspect these people want a mom/sex slave).

    He makes a really interesting point related to the above that the groups are very self-selecting. You would get initiated by doing weird stuff like extreme drinking or beating people, and those that couldn't cut it, would leave. People who couldn't get girlfriends left. It points out that you really will see the EXTREME people when these groups form. I always wonder what the people who left did? Did they tell other people, "god damn was I misguided, I should tell my friends to look out for this type of behavior in themselves." Or did they stay silent and think, "phew, that was close, moving on." ?

    Props to this man, for reforming himself and using his position to help others. You can tell he's truly repentant and has done a lot of soul searching to have such insight.

    Bonus quotations:

    • "The entire existence of a neo-nazi is rationalizing hypocrisy, you're doing it every single day...it's exhausting"
    • "The hate itself is exhausting, from an addiction standpoint"
    • "What was most exhausting was when people I claimed to hate treated me with kindness...when I least deserved it, but needed it the most"
    • "My de-radicalization was the Midwest rave scene"

    Also my god, the amount of alcohol involved O_O, but weed is the devil, obviously.

    His suggestions at the end to help solve the problem are admirable, but it rubs me a bit the wrong way. Especially the part about how a white guy may not feel he has any middle ground between being racialized as a white person with privilege or not, and thus we need to create those spaces - starting by dismantling things like X and other social media echo chambers. I realize my reaction to this is because I am close/sensitive to this issue, so my feelings that "no we need to actually focus on you first realizing you are privileged, before we even get to how I am going to make your life better" are obviously emotionally charged as well as rationally charged. It just gets my goat, because people who need to hear this the most (you are privileged and have received benefits said privilege, whether you know it or not)always skip over this part and want to go right to problem solving. Acknowledging is the first step to building trust, it's hard to build bridges when you don't feel like you have the same foundation.

    Complete aside, Business Insider has been amazing. Almost all of its content slaps, it's almost like a different version of "How it's Made" modern TLC?

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      Hobofarmer
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      At the risk of sounding incredibly bad... I can really only speak for myself, but I've struggled with love quite a bit in my life. I'd been unlucky (yet also lucky enough) in love to find partners...

      At the risk of sounding incredibly bad...

      I'm also grossed out, but not shocked, that so much of this desire to join groups like this comes from not having a girlfriend? Like, is this really some people's entire identity? Whether they have a partner or not?(partner is a generous term, because I suspect these people want a mom/sex slave).

      I can really only speak for myself, but I've struggled with love quite a bit in my life. I'd been unlucky (yet also lucky enough) in love to find partners I was head over heels for, and lose them for seemingly petty reasons at the time. Until I was nearly 30, I never managed a stable relationship beyond 3 months.

      I yearned for the sort of long, deep, and seemingly satisfying relationships I'd seen on TV, with my friends, and that was sorely lacking with my parents and grandparents too. I tried so hard to be the kind of person I thought would be appealing to those I wanted, morphing and changing like a chameleon.

      The time came when I was able to forge something that has so far endured as "me". That was when I finally found the person I'm currently with, and have been with these last 7 years. I had always felt that I was really only the best version of myself when I had a partner. I don't quite know what I feel now, but I do know that my partner has helped me reach the places I always wanted to be.

      I am aware that my feelings on love and partnership are formed from societal expectations as well as my own experiences immediate to me.

      All this to say:

      Is it wise to trivialize one of humanity's most critical emotions being a hook with which to reel others in?

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      1. Carrie
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        I appreciate you showing vulnerability and sharing your story. I can understand people seeking out companionship, and that it is a deep driver of humankind. However, I think we over-emphasize...

        I appreciate you showing vulnerability and sharing your story.

        I can understand people seeking out companionship, and that it is a deep driver of humankind.

        However, I think we over-emphasize romantic or sexual companionship, over other types. We can seek and fulfill our need for companionship through friends, families, and partners or community, just as much as we can with a romantic or sexual partner.

        I'm glad you have found someone to enrich your life, and I truly appreciate you sharing your insight, because it's hard to admit our own vulnerabilities.

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  3. xk3
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    This is a great find! Thanks for sharing

    This is a great find! Thanks for sharing

    5 votes