This is the important bit, I think: Dude's a career lawyer at the highest level, he knows how to choose his words and when to keep his mouth shut. Saying that when he could have said nothing at...
This is the important bit, I think:
"I am grateful that I never had to sign an indictment or file a brief that I didn’t believe in."
Dude's a career lawyer at the highest level, he knows how to choose his words and when to keep his mouth shut. Saying that when he could have said nothing at all is pretty much a foghorn announcement of "I decided to walk out rather than doing something highly immoral and very probably illegal".
Yeah dozens of folks are doing this. Walking away and making a statement. But no one is doing anything to stop the current government from doing illegal things. It seems so weird to me that the...
Yeah dozens of folks are doing this. Walking away and making a statement.
But no one is doing anything to stop the current government from doing illegal things.
It seems so weird to me that the country built on the idea that sometimes we have to fight against a government who has become hostile to its own citizens is failing to fight against this government.
Everyone knows what they’re doing and we’re all letting it happen. All we do is say words about it and then go home. Where’s the arms? Like I’m not trying to incite a rebellion, but like, really? No one is gonna fight?
Right there with you, but I think a big part of the issue here is that it wouldn't just be a matter of fighting the government, it'd be fighting the people who voted for the government. A...
Right there with you, but I think a big part of the issue here is that it wouldn't just be a matter of fighting the government, it'd be fighting the people who voted for the government. A plurality of the citizens are pro-tyranny, and I can only assume that makes it feel a whole lot more futile to make a noble and potentially self-sacrificial stand against the powers that be.
I’m not totally sure that the people who voted for Trump are entirely in control of that decision. The propaganda is seriously strong with this shit. They are consuming news that is just made up...
I’m not totally sure that the people who voted for Trump are entirely in control of that decision.
The propaganda is seriously strong with this shit. They are consuming news that is just made up nonsense. The rich and powerful have managed to hijack their worldview and mold it to suit their own needs.
Combating this is a waste of time. That fake shit is coming from all directions and the social media companies who are distributing it give zero shits about it. Unless we want to stage a government takeover of all social media and turn it into us government owned propaganda to protect ourselves, we cant win that battle.
Our entire system has broken down. Theres no one who can fire senators for the good of the public, and without that, theres no one who can fire the president or his cabinet. Every single thing we’ve ever used to fight them they just take away next time they win the election with their propaganda.
I’m seriously thinking that no one is doing anything because theres no one left to do anything. All we can do is watch as our country eats itself alive.
If I still lived in the US, I’d be making whatever plans I feasibly could to leave. As it is, my previously fairly serious plans to move back have been written off indefinitely and quite probably...
If I still lived in the US, I’d be making whatever plans I feasibly could to leave. As it is, my previously fairly serious plans to move back have been written off indefinitely and quite probably permanently. So… yeah. Maybe that makes me one of the ones who’s given up, but at the very least I hear you and I agree with you about how deep the problem goes.
I’m healthy, I don’t have dependents, seems like I should stay and fight. Just feels like I’ll know the right time to fight when it comes, you know? Like some day the moment will just knock on my...
I’m healthy, I don’t have dependents, seems like I should stay and fight.
Just feels like I’ll know the right time to fight when it comes, you know? Like some day the moment will just knock on my door and that’ll be it.
There is a chance that the elections in 26 and 28 will repudiate MAGA. Example, Reagan's coalition won nationwide. Trump is itching for an excuse to invoke the insurrection act and crush any...
There is a chance that the elections in 26 and 28 will repudiate MAGA. Example, Reagan's coalition won nationwide.
Trump is itching for an excuse to invoke the insurrection act and crush any possible opposition with what is arguably the most powerful military in the world.
Edit, I'm speaking about political trends and possibilities. I'm not a good candidate for either protest or resistance because of health issues.
What do you envision that it looks like? Like small groups of people who have give up their lives to maybe storm a building briefly before all being shot and killed? Or something more like Jan 6th...
What do you envision that it looks like? Like small groups of people who have give up their lives to maybe storm a building briefly before all being shot and killed? Or something more like Jan 6th but anti-trump instead? Fortunately for the J6 crowd, they had an administration that supported and encouraged that crowd to form, whereas anyone doing that against Trump could potentially get arrested before they even step foot there if they are having what they think are private conversations about ulterior motives only to turn out there's undercover agents in their midst.
For what you're questioning, there has to be enough people who have either nothing to lose, or a lot to lose and it being on the verge of being taken from them. You can assume you're basically getting a life sentence or a death sentence, is it really that hard to understand why you aren't seeing that type of resistance?
That's not the extent of what was proposed in the prior comment. Taking up arms and fighting is what was mentioned. So are people going to jump to the defense of some people that go that far?
That's not the extent of what was proposed in the prior comment. Taking up arms and fighting is what was mentioned. So are people going to jump to the defense of some people that go that far?
I think theres a lot of research on how the punishment for the crime doesn’t act as much of a deterrent because no one does things like that and expects to be caught I think its more likely that...
I think theres a lot of research on how the punishment for the crime doesn’t act as much of a deterrent because no one does things like that and expects to be caught
I think its more likely that everyone just doesn’t see how they could form any kind of meaningful resistance.
As I understand it, as a lawyer you're ethically obligated to basically do what your client wants, or to refuse if it crosses the line. Doing malicious compliance in this specific role would...
As I understand it, as a lawyer you're ethically obligated to basically do what your client wants, or to refuse if it crosses the line. Doing malicious compliance in this specific role would potentially get someone disbarred or disciplined by the bar and would still likely get them fired. If they refuse, they're fired. Resigning means you can potentially work for the government again in the future if I understand some of how that works correctly.
It also means that the primary public statement about why you left comes from you not your employer. A trumped up cause to let someone go muddies the water and interferes with clear messaging.
It also means that the primary public statement about why you left comes from you not your employer. A trumped up cause to let someone go muddies the water and interferes with clear messaging.
Yes! Which also lets other future employers know, for example, that you would stand on your ethics. Bureaucracy is where you want your malicious compliance. A failure to file something, a slow...
Yes! Which also lets other future employers know, for example, that you would stand on your ethics.
Bureaucracy is where you want your malicious compliance. A failure to file something, a slow down in documentation. Innocent mistakes.
This all makes perfect sense, and I fully realize the naiveté in my comment above. I still worry that the deck is being stacked to a point where there will be no one left who's interested in...
This all makes perfect sense, and I fully realize the naiveté in my comment above. I still worry that the deck is being stacked to a point where there will be no one left who's interested in hiring someone with ethics. :/
So he was fired right? Thats what ‘stepping down’ means at that level?
This is the important bit, I think:
Dude's a career lawyer at the highest level, he knows how to choose his words and when to keep his mouth shut. Saying that when he could have said nothing at all is pretty much a foghorn announcement of "I decided to walk out rather than doing something highly immoral and very probably illegal".
Yeah dozens of folks are doing this. Walking away and making a statement.
But no one is doing anything to stop the current government from doing illegal things.
It seems so weird to me that the country built on the idea that sometimes we have to fight against a government who has become hostile to its own citizens is failing to fight against this government.
Everyone knows what they’re doing and we’re all letting it happen. All we do is say words about it and then go home. Where’s the arms? Like I’m not trying to incite a rebellion, but like, really? No one is gonna fight?
Right there with you, but I think a big part of the issue here is that it wouldn't just be a matter of fighting the government, it'd be fighting the people who voted for the government. A plurality of the citizens are pro-tyranny, and I can only assume that makes it feel a whole lot more futile to make a noble and potentially self-sacrificial stand against the powers that be.
I’m not totally sure that the people who voted for Trump are entirely in control of that decision.
The propaganda is seriously strong with this shit. They are consuming news that is just made up nonsense. The rich and powerful have managed to hijack their worldview and mold it to suit their own needs.
Combating this is a waste of time. That fake shit is coming from all directions and the social media companies who are distributing it give zero shits about it. Unless we want to stage a government takeover of all social media and turn it into us government owned propaganda to protect ourselves, we cant win that battle.
Our entire system has broken down. Theres no one who can fire senators for the good of the public, and without that, theres no one who can fire the president or his cabinet. Every single thing we’ve ever used to fight them they just take away next time they win the election with their propaganda.
I’m seriously thinking that no one is doing anything because theres no one left to do anything. All we can do is watch as our country eats itself alive.
If I still lived in the US, I’d be making whatever plans I feasibly could to leave. As it is, my previously fairly serious plans to move back have been written off indefinitely and quite probably permanently. So… yeah. Maybe that makes me one of the ones who’s given up, but at the very least I hear you and I agree with you about how deep the problem goes.
I’m healthy, I don’t have dependents, seems like I should stay and fight.
Just feels like I’ll know the right time to fight when it comes, you know? Like some day the moment will just knock on my door and that’ll be it.
There is a chance that the elections in 26 and 28 will repudiate MAGA. Example, Reagan's coalition won nationwide.
Trump is itching for an excuse to invoke the insurrection act and crush any possible opposition with what is arguably the most powerful military in the world.
Edit, I'm speaking about political trends and possibilities. I'm not a good candidate for either protest or resistance because of health issues.
What do you envision that it looks like? Like small groups of people who have give up their lives to maybe storm a building briefly before all being shot and killed? Or something more like Jan 6th but anti-trump instead? Fortunately for the J6 crowd, they had an administration that supported and encouraged that crowd to form, whereas anyone doing that against Trump could potentially get arrested before they even step foot there if they are having what they think are private conversations about ulterior motives only to turn out there's undercover agents in their midst.
For what you're questioning, there has to be enough people who have either nothing to lose, or a lot to lose and it being on the verge of being taken from them. You can assume you're basically getting a life sentence or a death sentence, is it really that hard to understand why you aren't seeing that type of resistance?
If a small group of people are shot and killed for civil disobedience and trespassing, do you think that would be the end of it?
That's not the extent of what was proposed in the prior comment. Taking up arms and fighting is what was mentioned. So are people going to jump to the defense of some people that go that far?
I think theres a lot of research on how the punishment for the crime doesn’t act as much of a deterrent because no one does things like that and expects to be caught
I think its more likely that everyone just doesn’t see how they could form any kind of meaningful resistance.
Yeah this just seems like handing over the reins. I'd rather see something more like malicious compliance in these cases.
Right? I feel like I do a better job fighting against the company I work for.
As I understand it, as a lawyer you're ethically obligated to basically do what your client wants, or to refuse if it crosses the line. Doing malicious compliance in this specific role would potentially get someone disbarred or disciplined by the bar and would still likely get them fired. If they refuse, they're fired. Resigning means you can potentially work for the government again in the future if I understand some of how that works correctly.
It also means that the primary public statement about why you left comes from you not your employer. A trumped up cause to let someone go muddies the water and interferes with clear messaging.
Yes! Which also lets other future employers know, for example, that you would stand on your ethics.
Bureaucracy is where you want your malicious compliance. A failure to file something, a slow down in documentation. Innocent mistakes.
This all makes perfect sense, and I fully realize the naiveté in my comment above. I still worry that the deck is being stacked to a point where there will be no one left who's interested in hiring someone with ethics. :/
No I get that concern. It's not baseless. But I don't think the entire legal profession is so far gone.
He chose to resign rather than be fired (likely for refusing an order to indict this vet or similar). But yeah technically he's resigned.
It's time to make kremlinology great again. This administration is dishonest and secretive.
Honestly I just don't have the energy. The active stuff is so exhausting.