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Donald Trump says he has secured a vast US stake in Venezuelan oil industry

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  1. [4]
    skybrian
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    From the article: [...] [...] [...]

    From the article:

    The plan involves the U.S. taking more direct control over Venezuelan reserves as crime and steep logistical challenges discourage private investors.

    Under it, according to federal officials, the U.S. has gained a controlling stake in nearly a quarter of Venezuela’s untapped oil reserves. It makes the U.S. the majority owner of a giant new joint venture oil company that will hold 100-year contracts at the Venezuelan oil fields.

    The key Venezuelan partner in the deal is Alejandro Betancourt, who controls the second-largest private oil company in the country. Betancourt, 46, has also been the subject of investigations in multiple countries into alleged money laundering and faces a Swiss warrant for his arrest.

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    Trump also claimed the deal would come at no cost to U.S. taxpayers. But deal points reviewed by The Washington Post and interviews with people who were close to negotiations as the deal came together suggest that for the plan to succeed in producing oil in the amounts the administration projects, the U.S. government may ultimately need to invest significant amounts. Ask The Post AIDive deeper

    A list shared with The Post before the deal was announced noted 17 oil fields in which the U.S. would take a stake. Several of the fields lack any infrastructure or access to transport hubs to treat and move the crude. Those where such infrastructure does exist have fallen victim to years of neglect and theft of machinery.

    Pumping oil from the fields could require investments of many billions of dollars and costly security plans to protect oil workers and production facilities in lawless and violent regions. The deal points reviewed by The Post say the U.S. government stake in the newly formed oil company will be split between equity ownership and guarantees that it will purchase oil produced by it at cost to refill the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

    But it is unclear who would make the tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure investments needed before oil can be pumped from the largely dormant fields. Major oil companies have mostly seen such spending as too risky.

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    Betancourt has become a key intermediary between the U.S. and Venezuela and has helped broker early contracts to get oil pumping fast in the country, The Post reported this week.

    He has ramped up oil output by NABEP to nearly 200,000 barrels per day from 18,000 in just two years. In the past decade, he has also faced multiple investigations, in Switzerland, Spain and the U.S., into alleged money laundering.

    U.S. officials this year have lobbied to resolve the case in Switzerland in a way that would avoid criminal charges and end travel restrictions against the Britain-based Betancourt, The Post reported, citing two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

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    There is strong opposition in Venezuela to ceding control of natural resources to the U.S. Revisions to the Venezuelan constitution may be required before the U.S. gains control of any oil fields, and the prospects of that happening are uncertain amid U.S. antipathy.

    10 votes
    1. [3]
      updawg
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      So we're going to rip it away from those socialist bastards and set up a government-run company to operate it?

      So we're going to rip it away from those socialist bastards and set up a government-run company to operate it?

      23 votes
      1. CptBluebear
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        Seizing the means of production is only socialism if you're a worker. If you're doing a control economy it's capitalism. I think. Look, the red scare was so effective that the words...

        Seizing the means of production is only socialism if you're a worker. If you're doing a control economy it's capitalism.

        I think.

        Look, the red scare was so effective that the words socialism/communism lost all meaning. Very useful if you want to paint every economic policy you don't like with the same brush. The opposite applies too. Call tan suits communist enough so when daddy Trump starts art of the dealing boring economics all over the place it barely registers with his constituents in the boonies.

        22 votes
  2. [6]
    streblo
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    At no cost to the American taxpayers except presumably providing security from the inevitable insurgency over the lifetime of these projects?

    At no cost to the American taxpayers except presumably providing security from the inevitable insurgency over the lifetime of these projects?

    7 votes
    1. [5]
      DefinitelyNotAFae
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      Also the coup thing we already did. That cost something.

      Also the coup thing we already did. That cost something.

      14 votes
      1. [4]
        streblo
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        Yes there is certainly a legitimacy/reputational/soft power cost to being nakedly imperial. It almost sounds like a standard joint venture where the US government is one partner until you remember...

        Yes there is certainly a legitimacy/reputational/soft power cost to being nakedly imperial.

        It almost sounds like a standard joint venture where the US government is one partner until you remember they are negotiating with a government they installed themselves after they killed the last guy.

        10 votes
        1. [3]
          DefinitelyNotAFae
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          Kidnapped. (Or arrested if one prefers the narrative) And like we all knew this was the goal.

          Kidnapped. (Or arrested if one prefers the narrative)

          And like we all knew this was the goal.

          17 votes
          1. [2]
            streblo
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            Right, kidnapped. Brain fart, thanks. The whole thing makes no sense, in that they put the number two person in charge. It’s not like they succeeded in regime change or an election. I doubt the US...

            Right, kidnapped. Brain fart, thanks.

            The whole thing makes no sense, in that they put the number two person in charge. It’s not like they succeeded in regime change or an election.

            I doubt the US will see much if any of this oil to be honest. The cost will certainly not be free.

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            1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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              A bunch of American oil companies got access to Venezuelan oil after , presumably, bribing the President. That's what they wanted to accomplish. He didn't like Maduro, but didn't care about the...

              A bunch of American oil companies got access to Venezuelan oil after , presumably, bribing the President.

              That's what they wanted to accomplish. He didn't like Maduro, but didn't care about the Venezuelan people so regime change didn't matter. Flexing imperial power did. He doesn't care about the American people, so it doesn't matter if we benefit or not. He doesn't care about gas prices being high, he told us so. He's saying gas will drop to under $2/gallon and I don't believe him and he doesn't have the power to force the market to do that.

              15 votes
  3. [7]
    unkz
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    What are the chances that a Democrat administration continues this plunder operation? I doubt they will be willing to kidnap or murder the head of state like Trump, so will Venezuela just...

    What are the chances that a Democrat administration continues this plunder operation? I doubt they will be willing to kidnap or murder the head of state like Trump, so will Venezuela just renationalize? This project can only exist with a full blown war criminal running America. Otherwise there’s no effective coercion.

    6 votes
    1. redwall_hp
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      You're assuming he intends to leave office peacefully. He has given many statements to the contrary, and it's not like he hasn't already done "we have the Beer Hall Putsch at home." I would like...

      You're assuming he intends to leave office peacefully. He has given many statements to the contrary, and it's not like he hasn't already done "we have the Beer Hall Putsch at home."

      I would like nothing more than for the future to prove me wrong, but generally one should believe someone when they continually talk about all of the bad things they plan to do. The question is whether it will involve violence or apathy and acceptance of a rigged election...redistricting, voter roll purges, mass media consolidation, and things like the SAVE act are already underway for 2026, and I doubt 2028 will be any different. Ten cents says the brownshirts ICE will be in Washington, DC on a large scale during the election.

      14 votes
    2. [5]
      skybrian
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      I doubt Trump is thinking very far ahead.

      I doubt Trump is thinking very far ahead.

      6 votes
      1. [4]
        unkz
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        Sure, I’m just speculating about what the practical effects of this policy will be. I don’t imagine it’s going to be an easy task for Democrats to just walk all this back either. Despite the fact...

        Sure, I’m just speculating about what the practical effects of this policy will be. I don’t imagine it’s going to be an easy task for Democrats to just walk all this back either. Despite the fact that this was all illegal and insane, there are going to be people on both sides of the aisle who will be reticent to just return stuff to Venezuela.

        4 votes
        1. [3]
          Englerdy
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          I wonder how most every day Americans will feel about just giving everything back. I'm on the side of "yeah that was bizarre and beyond messed up, just give it all back and let the Venezuelan gov...

          I wonder how most every day Americans will feel about just giving everything back. I'm on the side of "yeah that was bizarre and beyond messed up, just give it all back and let the Venezuelan gov figure it all out and stop meddling," but I've learned I don't see most issues the way an 'average' American does. So maybe a bunch of people will feel like we're entitled to what we've taken since there is sunk cost and will be more cost to give everything back? Which is insane to me, so I hope that doesn't turn out to be the general sentiment.

          8 votes
          1. stu2b50
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            I mean, the government in Venezuela is still a horribly repressive military junta that regularly tortures and imprisons its citizens while the economic implodes. I think there would be pushback...

            I mean, the government in Venezuela is still a horribly repressive military junta that regularly tortures and imprisons its citizens while the economic implodes. I think there would be pushback from a Democrat administration on whether or not just giving the repressive military junta back the tools.

            9 votes
          2. kingofsnake
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            I don't think thatthe majority if Americans understand the saying "You broke it, now you fix it" either. If it all goes to shit, we might just see another Afghanistan exit debacle where...

            I don't think thatthe majority if Americans understand the saying "You broke it, now you fix it" either.

            If it all goes to shit, we might just see another Afghanistan exit debacle where everybody's forgotten what the US was doing there, and just wants to point fingers for the bad optics of leaving.

            5 votes