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    1. A conspiracy theory about "bullet ballots" - How it's hard to evaluate stuff you see online

      I think I won't post the link here to one of the posts about this because I think it's an unproven conspiracy theory and it isn't true. But there is a particular story going around online that one...

      I think I won't post the link here to one of the posts about this because I think it's an unproven conspiracy theory and it isn't true.
      But there is a particular story going around online that one or more security experts is claiming that the latest presidential election was stolen. The "proof" is of this type:

      • I'm a security expert
      • There is some stuff in the election results that is statistically impossible, especially in swing states
      • There is a specific type of ballot where the voter has only voted for one candidate or issue
      • Here are the numbers compared to the normal numbers
      • Voting machines were compromised, and here's how

      For each of those bullet points (and a few others I didn't mention), I have to go and research that data in order to determine if it is accurate.

      • I could google the expert and check their reputation
      • I could research how common it is to have certain types of ballot completions
      • I may be able to get detailed information about specific counties and their historic voting patterns
      • I could do a lot of research on voting machine integrity

      The research on each of those bullets could be compromised by other misinformation, astroturfing, bad AI summaries, etc.

      Or I could just send the link to everyone I know and hope that someone else does this. Or just send it because I don't like the election result and I wish this story was true.

      It's easy to see why CNN reported that 70% of Republicans thought the 2020 election was stolen, especially since conspiracy theories were repeated to them on all their main news sources and confirmed their biases.

      7 votes
    2. Understanding the leftist that didn't vote: "Everybody else gets one, but not me"

      I will preface this by stating I'm not an American, and I certainly don't claim to speak for everyone. I'm also not against voting in principle, and in my own country I prefer to vote when I can,...

      I will preface this by stating I'm not an American, and I certainly don't claim to speak for everyone. I'm also not against voting in principle, and in my own country I prefer to vote when I can, and have done so most of the time. But there were times when I chose not to, and there was a time when I regretted voting. I've also been browsing the English internet for a long time, which is dominated by Americans, and I've been part of English-speaking leftie spaces for a while too, which are also dominated by Americans. I base my post on these experiences.

      There's a lot to be said on this topic, but I will try to briefly explain a key point I've been able to put into words only recently. Being a leftist, not a left-leaning person or a "leftist" that just means left-leaning liberal, but a genuine leftist, is a weird experience. You have a lot of issues close to your heart. You spend a great deal of time and energy learning to criticize the systems you live under, whether they be capitalism, nation-state, or some cultural hierarchy. You already feel alienated from most people on political issues, because you hold wildly unpopular opinions, and people treat you like a weird person for it. You get into a lot of arguments and conflicts as a result, which often result in further alienation. After all, refusing the status quo is not an easy thing to do, and it often leads to social isolation at some level. It's not predestined, and it's not all-encompassing, but you can't help but feel alienated from most. Their ideas, their ideologies, the things they endorse—it all seems, to put it mildly, a little bit insane.

      Then comes the election season, and you realize the politicians of the supposed major """left""" option, which is actually just relatively left compared to the insanely right alternative(s), never take you seriously. They never voice policies that speak to your sensibilities, wishes, beliefs, morality, and principles. They always voice par for the course arguments, and obviously don't care for what you want.

      Then, people that are part of the "normal" politics start making the same arguments. In my experience, this happens regardless of the country we're talking about.

      • You should still vote for us. The other side is worse.
      • If you don't vote for us, you're a traitor.
      • A vote not cast for us is a vote cast for them (interestingly, the opposite of this is never voiced: "a vote not cast for them is a vote for us.")
      • I don't approve of them in every way either, but this is the lesser of two evils.
      • This is not the time to be having these arguments. It's a time for unity.
      • This is the only option possible.
      • You're not voting out of privilege. (extremely untrue, can even be called an outright lie)
      • You should be logical and not emotional. Vote with your brain, not your heart. Be an adult.

      The last item on thist list, I think, strikes at the heart of this post. People expect you to be this ultra-rational decision-making machine, "pragmatic" to the core, always willing to shut up and toe the line when it matters, without a care for what you want. But they don't expect this from anyone else (barring minorities). The far-right, right-wingers, centrists, liberals, people satistified with par for the course politics—they all get to voice their wishes, wants, opinions. They all get to act according to their own emotions, without critically examining their own beliefs, ideology, behavior. They all get concessions made to them by politicans. They all get to have a say. But not you. You should shut the fuck up and vote for them. You don't get a say.

      They take it for granted that you would vote for them, that's why they never take what you want seriously. They give tons of shits about every other group, which are all part of the status quo politics, but they never give a shit about you. That's why they never make concessions to you.

      At some point, naturally, you realize how hypocritical, unfair, and insidious this is. You may not consciously know it, or even be able to put it into words, but deep down you feel it: everybody else gets one, but not you. Then they seriously expect you to support them. And when you don't, they go on a witch hunt, labeling you a traitor.

      For example, they expect you to be fine with "your" candidate supporting a genocide, even though this is the worst possible thing a country can do, and then be baffled when you don't take this well. And god forbid, if you "act emotionally" and have your own worldview and sensibilities, like every other group does, and not vote for them, you get labeled a traitor. These people don't realize that their own eagerness to so readily uphold the status quo politics, resulting in your own wishes and values getting eternally ignored, brings about your response.

      So, I think this is why a lot of leftists don't vote when they prefer not to. I suspect this also applies to other demographics, such as minorities that get overlooked. And as long as the status quo politics ignores this problem, it won't be solved.

      I think, for other people like me, something we can do is to voice why we don't vote when we choose not to. Because the status quo politicians and their supporters seem very eager to get the wrong message, which is "we need to move further right". This, of course, doesn't work, because right-wingers choose the original instead of the imitation anyway.

      What I'm saying, I guess, is a very simple democratic process. If you want people to vote for you, you have to take them and what they want seriously, and at the very least make concessions to them. If you do not, they probably won't, and you can't blame them for it. This is how it works for every demographic. So, instead of blaming potential and future voters and supporters, you should criticize the party that failed to get their support.

      53 votes
    3. 2024 United States election megathread

      Post any/all news and discussion related to the US Election here. If there is something substantially newsworthy, feel free to post it as a separate topic. This will be a noisy topic. Please use...

      Post any/all news and discussion related to the US Election here.

      If there is something substantially newsworthy, feel free to post it as a separate topic.


      This will be a noisy topic. Please use the ignore feature if you do not want to see it in your feed.

      If you need something to occupy your mind so you stop refreshing this and other news sites, check out our Distractions Thread.


      Election Dashboards:

      97 votes
    4. My voter registration name keeps getting changed/misspelled. Should I complain to the state or my county clerk?

      I have a slightly unusual last name, leading to people assuming they know how to spell it better than I do. I have already fixed my registered name once this year and I just received a new voter...

      I have a slightly unusual last name, leading to people assuming they know how to spell it better than I do. I have already fixed my registered name once this year and I just received a new voter registration card...and it had the old spelling. I checked my registration online and the spelling has reverted in the state database too. Whose fault is this and WHY THE HELL DO PEOPLE MANUALLY ENTER/EDIT NAMES THAT USERS ENTER INTO COMPUTER SYSTEMS? WHY IS THIS A THING?? WHY DO I GET SO MUCH MAIL WITH MY NAME MISSPELLED??? JUST SPELL IT THE WAY I ENTERED IT INTO YOUR SYSTEM, YOU JACKASSES.

      41 votes
    5. What are the most effective ways to help get Joe Biden re-elected in the US?

      So I'm kind of terrified by recent political news. What can I do to help? Options include: Donating Phone banking Text banking Postcarding Door knocking Volunteering as an election worker Does...

      So I'm kind of terrified by recent political news. What can I do to help?

      Options include:

      • Donating
      • Phone banking
      • Text banking
      • Postcarding
      • Door knocking
      • Volunteering as an election worker

      Does anyone have an informed opinion about which of these will actually move the needle and which ones just make you feel like you're doing something?

      48 votes
    6. What can we do to support voter turnout in the US elections this fall?

      There is an important election in the United States this fall, and we've all heard a lot of concern expressed about efforts to suppress the vote. Under the shadow of all the other issues we're...

      There is an important election in the United States this fall, and we've all heard a lot of concern expressed about efforts to suppress the vote. Under the shadow of all the other issues we're currently facing as a society, I know a lot of people who are asking "what concrete actions can I take to make a difference?" It seems like helping to get out the vote is one very important action.

      So here's a question to the Tildes community: what suggestions do you have about how we (as individuals) can help get out the vote this fall? Big or small, donating money or doing physical work -- what can we do?

      15 votes