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Megathread for news/updates/discussion about the 2022 World Cup

Since there is probably going to be a lot of news and things to discuss over the next month.

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  1. AugustusFerdinand
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    How Qatar bought the world cup: https://tild.es/13eh What Qatar doesn't want the world to see (Johnny Harris, same youtube channel as the link above, just published 7 hours ago):...

    How Qatar bought the world cup: https://tild.es/13eh

    What Qatar doesn't want the world to see (Johnny Harris, same youtube channel as the link above, just published 7 hours ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt_Q03HNbTk

    8 votes
  2. cfabbro
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    Some Infantino related articles: FIFA head says fans ‘will survive’ without beer at World Cup (AP) ‘I feel gay, disabled … like a woman too!’: Infantino makes bizarre attack on critics (Guardian) ಠ_ಠ

    Some Infantino related articles:
    FIFA head says fans ‘will survive’ without beer at World Cup (AP)

    ‘I feel gay, disabled … like a woman too!’: Infantino makes bizarre attack on critics (Guardian)

    In an 57-minute diatribe which frequently drew gasps of astonishment, Infantino claimed that western nations were in no position to give morality lessons to Qatar given their past and current behaviour.

    “We have been told many, many lessons from some Europeans, from the western world,” he said. “I think for what we Europeans have been doing the last 3,000 years we should be apologising for the next 3,000 years before starting to give moral lessons to people.”

    Infantino also played down concerns over whether LGBTQ+ fans faced danger in a country where gay people risk torture and imprisonment, and insisted that Qatar – with Fifa’s help – had reformed workers’ rights beyond all recognition.

    The speech began, though, with Infantino appearing to suggest that his own experiences as a son of Italian immigrants in Switzerland gave him a deep understanding of migrant workers and other minorities in Qatar.

    “Today I feel Qatari,” he said. “Today I feel Arabic. Today I feel African. Today I feel gay. Today I feel disabled. Today I feel [like] a migrant worker.”

    He added: “Of course I am not Qatari, I am not an Arab, I am not African, I am not gay, I am not disabled. But I feel like it, because I know what it means to be discriminated [against], to be bullied, as a foreigner in a foreign country. As a child I was bullied – because I had red hair and freckles, plus I was Italian, so imagine.”

    Later it was pointed out that in his opening monologue, he had missed out half the world’s population. “I feel like a woman too!” Infantino added.

    ಠ_ಠ

    7 votes
  3. cmccabe
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    For all the Duolingo fans among the World Cuppers here, Duolingo has a tool for learning cheers and insults in various languages: https://fowllanguage.duolingo.com/

    For all the Duolingo fans among the World Cuppers here, Duolingo has a tool for learning cheers and insults in various languages: https://fowllanguage.duolingo.com/

    6 votes
  4. cfabbro
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    Qatar won't allow any cooked Kosher food and public Jewish prayer (JPost)

    Qatar won't allow any cooked Kosher food and public Jewish prayer (JPost)

    Jewish organizations have said that even though they were promised otherwise, Qatar won’t allow any cooked kosher food to be sold or offered to visitors of the FIFA World Cup.

    Sources in Jewish organizations told The Jerusalem Post that Qatar broke another promise to allow Jewish prayer services in Doha during the games, claiming it couldn’t secure this type of activity and then banned it completely.

    “We were promised to be allowed to create prayer spaces in order for religious Jews who came to see the games to have a place of worship,” a representative of a Jewish organization said. “We were recently told that they banned places of worship for Jews because they cannot secure them.”

    According to other sources, there is an estimate of more than 10,000 religious Jews from Israel and around the world that are expected to arrive in Doha.

    “They were promised to be able to cook kosher food including kosher meat, but at the moment have only been allowed to sell cold bagel sandwiches,” they said.

    According to another source, a number of wealthy American Jews planned to come as a large group but canceled their arrangements since they said they wouldn’t feel secure and not have enough food to eat.

    “There is no kosher food, there are no Shabbat meals and no public prayer services,” a source said. He added that the Qataris said “they would separate religion from sports, so how come the great Qatar doesn’t know how to secure Jewish worshipers?”

    The Post reached out to Qatar’s Foreign Ministry for comment, but has not heard back.

    5 votes
  5. [2]
    cfabbro
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    Iran soccer team refuses to sing national anthem before World Cup opener (Newsweek)

    Iran soccer team refuses to sing national anthem before World Cup opener (Newsweek)

    Players on the Iranian national soccer team kept a defiant silence as their national anthem played ahead of their World Cup opener against England in Qatar on Monday — an apparent protest of the theocratic government’s months-long violent crackdown on widespread protests.

    As a TV camera supplying a worldwide feed panned down Iran’s starting lineup, the players stood stone-faced with their arms around each other’s shoulders.

    Multiple reports also indicated that some Iranian fans booed the anthem at the Khalifa International Stadium in Doha.

    Many Iran fans wore T-shirts or held signs printed with the mantra of the uprising — “Woman, Life, Freedom.” Others wore shirts bearing the names of female protesters killed by Iranian security forces in recent weeks.

    The Iran national team’s captain, Ehsan Hajsafi, told reporters the day before the match that he and his teammates “support” those who have died.

    “We have to accept that the conditions in our country are not right and our people are not happy,” said Hajsafi, who added that families of the victims “should know that we are with them, we support them and we sympathize with them.”

    5 votes
    1. NoblePath
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      Now that’s courage. I can’t imagine what repercussions they will face upon return.

      Now that’s courage. I can’t imagine what repercussions they will face upon return.

      3 votes
  6. cfabbro
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    The many, many controversies surrounding the 2022 World Cup, explained (Vox) Excellent summary of some of the major issues surrounding the World Cup. The article is way too long, information...

    The many, many controversies surrounding the 2022 World Cup, explained (Vox)

    Excellent summary of some of the major issues surrounding the World Cup. The article is way too long, information dense, and citation riddled to quote effectively. But here are the main subjects covered:

    Controversy 1: Qatar’s bid was marred by accusations of corruption and bribery

    Controversy 2: The tournament’s infrastructure has been built on the backs of low-paid migrant laborers

    Controversy 3: Qatar is under fire for using the tournament to “sportswash” its record of human rights abuses

    Controversy 4: FIFA is massaging the numbers on its sustainability pledge

    4 votes
  7. [6]
    cfabbro
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    US journalist Grant Wahl says he was detained in Qatar for rainbow shirt (Guardian)

    US journalist Grant Wahl says he was detained in Qatar for rainbow shirt (Guardian)

    US soccer journalist Grant Wahl says he was detained by security staff after he wore a rainbow shirt to USA’s World Cup opener against Wales.

    Wahl, who works for CBS Sports and writes a popular Substack column, wore the shirt as a show of solidarity with the LGBTQ+ community to the game at Qatar’s Ahmad bin Ali Stadium. Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar.

    However, he said a security guard told him the shirt was not allowed. Wahl said his phone was “forcibly ripped” from his hands by a guard as he tweeted about the incident. He said he was then detained for 25 minutes and told to remove his shirt, which a member of security staff said was “political”. He was also asked if he was from the UK.

    Wahl says he told a New York Times journalist who was passing by what had happened and he was detained too before being let go shortly afterwards.

    “Then a security commander approached me,” Wahl wrote in his Substack column. “He said they were letting me through and apologized. We shook hands. One of the security guards told me they were just trying to protect me from fans inside who could harm me for wearing the shirt … A Fifa rep later apologized to me as well.

    “But the entire episode left me wondering: What’s it like for ordinary Qataris who might wear a rainbow shirt when the world isn’t watching here? What’s that like?”

    Wahl said he was subsequently allowed to wear the shirt in the stadium.

    A Wales LGBTQ+ supporters group said some of its members were forbidden from wearing rainbow hats at the same game.

    3 votes
    1. [5]
      cfabbro
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      Related: Fifa and Qatar in urgent talks after Wales rainbow hats confiscated (Guardian)

      Related:
      Fifa and Qatar in urgent talks after Wales rainbow hats confiscated (Guardian)

      Incidents involving Football Association of Wales staff and Wales supporters having rainbow-coloured bucket hats confiscated before the Group B opener against the USA are being urgently investigated by authorities.

      Fifa and the Qataris were in talks on the matter on Tuesday, where Fifa reminded their hosts of their assurances before the tournament that everyone was welcome and rainbow flags would be allowed.

      The Guardian also understands Fifa is deeply concerned about several incidents around the match, including Welsh FA staff and fans being confronted by security for bringing the hats into the Ahmad bin Ali Stadium and a US fan with a rainbow flag being confronted on the metro. The Qatari Supreme Committee is expected to issue a statement in the next 24 hours.

      The FAW released a statement expressing its disappointment. “On Monday, Cymru returned to the World Cup for the first time in 64 years, an historic moment for the squad, the valued fans – The Red Wall/Y Wal Goch – and the nation.

      “However, the FAW were extremely disappointed by reports that members of Y Wal Goch, which included FAW staff members, were asked to remove and discard their Rainbow Wall bucket hats before entry to the Ahmad Bin Ali Stadium. These bucket hats were created in partnership with the FAW.

      “The FAW has collated information on these alleged incidents and will be addressing this matter directly with Fifa.”

      Those confronted included the former Wales footballer Prof Laura McAllister, a trustee of the FAW Trust and a past Fifa council candidate, who said it was a “small moral victory” that she managed to eventually get the hat into the stadium.

      “I pointed out that Fifa had made lots of comments about supporting LGBT rights in this tournament and said to them that coming from a nation where we’re very passionate about equality for all people, I wasn’t going to take my hat off,” said McAllister, a professor of public policy at Cardiff University. “They were insistent that unless I took the hat off we weren’t actually allowed to come into the stadium.”

      Others had to surrender their hats. The Rainbow Wall, a Welsh LGBTQ+ fans’ group, said on Twitter: “Not the men, just women. @‍FIFAcom ARE YOU SERIOUS!!”

      2 votes
      1. [4]
        cfabbro
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        Also related, but 🤦 worthy: Brazilian journalist has phone seized by Qatar police after regional flag mistaken for LGBTQ banner (Sky)

        Also related, but 🤦 worthy:
        Brazilian journalist has phone seized by Qatar police after regional flag mistaken for LGBTQ banner (Sky)

        A journalist reporting on the World Cup in Qatar claims local police hassled him outside a stadium after mistaking his regional Brazilian flag for an LGBTQ pride banner.

        Victor Pereira said his phone was seized by authorities after he used it to film a man's negative reaction to the colourful flag of Brazil's northeastern Pernambuco state.

        The flag depicts a rainbow in the colours red, yellow and green, a red cross and a star.

        He said a man wearing a traditional white dress mistook it for the LGBTQ community's rainbow flag when he was leaving the Lusail Stadium following Saudi Arabia's shock 2-1 win over Argentina on Tuesday.

        Same-sex relationships are illegal in the Gulf state but the host nation's organisers had repeatedly said "all are welcome" at the sporting event.

        "This guy wearing a white dress grabbed the flag, threw it on the ground and started stomping on it. I took my phone to record a video but he grabbed it from my hand and said he would only give it back if I deleted the video," Mr Pereira said.

        "Then an officer arrived and tried to intervene. He grabbed the phone from the other guy and ordered me to delete the video."

        Mr Pereira said he obeyed and deleted the clip so that he could get his phone back.

        He uploaded his account of the incident on Twitter.

        Pernambuco's governor Paulo Camara tweeted about the incident shortly after.

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          cfabbro
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          Also related-ish: England fans dressed as Crusaders detained by police in Qatar (TikTok video) Totally understandably why they were booted out, since that's undoubtedly pretty offensive, but still...

          Also related-ish:
          England fans dressed as Crusaders detained by police in Qatar (TikTok video)

          Totally understandably why they were booted out, since that's undoubtedly pretty offensive, but still kinda funny. The balls on them!

          2 votes
          1. cfabbro
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            Related to the above: Qatar World Cup bans English soccer fans from dressing as medieval Crusaders (NBC)

            Related to the above:
            Qatar World Cup bans English soccer fans from dressing as medieval Crusaders (NBC)

            When the United States' national men's team faces England at the Qatar World Cup later on Friday, one thing will be missing: medieval knights.

            Soccer’s governing body FIFA has told English soccer fans to ditch imitation chain mail, shields and swords or miss the game, according to the Times of London.

            “Crusader costumes in the Arab context can be offensive against Muslims. That is why anti-discrimination colleagues asked fans to wear things inside out or change dress,” the newspaper quoted a FIFA official as saying.

            FIFA did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

            1 vote
        2. random
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          The irony: anyone that's ever been to Pernambuco (or any Northeast state, really) knows that it's not exactly an LGBT paradise...

          The irony: anyone that's ever been to Pernambuco (or any Northeast state, really) knows that it's not exactly an LGBT paradise...

          2 votes
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    random
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    Brazil 2 x 0 Serbia November 24, 2022 (Thursday) This is the first Brazil game that I watch since the tragical match in 2014. There were people crying in the stadium, in their houses, and in the...

    Brazil 2 x 0 Serbia
    November 24, 2022 (Thursday)

    This is the first Brazil game that I watch since the tragical match in 2014. There were people crying in the stadium, in their houses, and in the streets. It was like Germany was playing a different game, or adults playing children. It is hard to express the effect that had on me, but 8 years without watching the national team can give you an idea.

    Because of that, I didn't know almost anything about this team. Neymar is the only player I recognize.

    The team was initially nervous and timid, afraid to kick towards the goal, trying to "carry it in". Richarlison scored at 62" in what seemed like a happy accident, and also at 73" in what I say with some certainty will probably be the most beautiful goal in the entire competition, and one of the most beautiful goals in its entire history.

    I am, of course, elated and hopeful. I know our team is considered by many the favorite. I can't say I'm in total agreement with that, but now I understand what they are talking about. Especially knowing that Argentina and Germany had bad starts. The dream of the Hexa seems more possible than ever.

    And oh, Neymar was limping after the match. Doesn't seem serious, and he's got 4 rest days ahead of him. Hopefully, he'll make a full recovery.

    3 votes
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      cfabbro
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      Video of the 2nd goal, for those curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzMe7CZr8c#t=4s

      Video of the 2nd goal, for those curious:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzMe7CZr8c#t=4s

      1 vote
  9. random
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    Brazil: The Country of Football - Episode 1. A good 10-minute documentary about the Brazillian football style, the ginga, where it comes from, and how adversity is at the root of how we play....

    Brazil: The Country of Football - Episode 1. A good 10-minute documentary about the Brazillian football style, the ginga, where it comes from, and how adversity is at the root of how we play.

    Brazil: The Country of Football - Episode 2. A good 10-minute documentary about Brazil's football culture.

    3 votes
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    Fal
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    Qatar imported fans to create more noise at their games
    3 votes
    1. [4]
      random
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      What baffles me is that none of that was even remotely necessary. Wanna fill stadiums with loud fans? Make the tickets super cheap, or give them free. Maybe pay for part of the air faire or...

      What baffles me is that none of that was even remotely necessary. Wanna fill stadiums with loud fans? Make the tickets super cheap, or give them free. Maybe pay for part of the air faire or accomodations. Subsidize everything. They got the money.

      Football is the most popular sport in the world. People wanna be there already. Tap into that.

      3 votes
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        cmccabe
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        ... It sounds like they actually don't have enough people who want to be there.

        in the background was also another common criticism: that the country had no soccer culture.

        ...

        the crowds for teams such as Al Sadd and Al Rayyan often number in the hundreds rather than the thousands. Who, the organizers wondered, would fill the stadiums when Qatar played? Who would provide the soundtrack?

        It sounds like they actually don't have enough people who want to be there.

        1 vote
        1. [2]
          random
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          This part of the article is about attendance to local games. World Cups are not about local teams. 1994 Word Cup also happened in a country with no football culture, and it was a great success....

          This part of the article is about attendance to local games. World Cups are not about local teams. 1994 Word Cup also happened in a country with no football culture, and it was a great success. There are many reasons for that, including the fact that the US is more of a destination and has a lot of immigrants.

          A tiny country in the desert has a problem on their hands for sure. But if they got enough people from abroad, their games would fill. It's not a long Cup and given the chance fans will go to all games, including the Qatar national team. Some might organically cheer for them, specially if Qatar helped finance the trip.

          But I guess monarchies don't really do "organic" :P

          1 vote
          1. cmccabe
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            I would assume that the WC would attract more interest as well, and ~poof~ ~magic~ if it were up to me, I would have had a pretty active program to promote local interest and funnel that into the...

            I would assume that the WC would attract more interest as well, and ~poof~ ~magic~ if it were up to me, I would have had a pretty active program to promote local interest and funnel that into the stands. But I'm not arguing with you anyway; I was just saying that it sounds like they did base their decision on some kind of analysis. At the same time, I know nothing about Qatari culture and their monarchy:people relations, so that's a big caveat.

            1 vote
  11. cfabbro
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    Germany cover mouths and wear rainbows on kit in World Cup protest (Guardian)

    Germany cover mouths and wear rainbows on kit in World Cup protest (Guardian)

    A World Cup of protest and rancour has taken another incendiary turn with Germany’s players covering their mouths with their hands to suggest they had been gagged by football’s governing body, Fifa.

    Their message was reinforced by the German interior minister, Nancy Faeser, who also wore a OneLove armband, which promotes tolerance, diversity and LGBTQ+ rights, as she sat next to Fifa’s president, Gianni Infantino.

    It was a calculated act of defiance against Fifa, who has warned seven nations, including England and Wales, that they will face sporting sanctions if their captains wear OneLove armbands during matches.

    Six players, including captain Manuel Neuer and Manchester City’s Ilkay Gundogan, also wore Adidas boots with rainbow stitching during the team’s shock 2-1 defeat against Japan, while the entire German squad sported tops with rainbow colours on their sleeves in the warm up.

    In a strongly worded statement, the Germans made clear their anger, telling Fifa: “We wanted to use our captain’s armband to take a stand for values that we hold in the Germany national team: diversity and mutual respect. Together with other nations, we wanted our voice to be heard.

    “It wasn’t about making a political statement – human rights are non-negotiable,” it added. “That should be taken for granted, but it still isn’t the case. That’s why this message is so important to us. Denying us the armband is the same as denying us a voice. We stand by our position.”

    Meanwhile, England are also understood to be monitoring the fallout from Germany’s decision closely, with the Football Association among the countries looking into whether it will be legally possible to challenge Fifa’s threat to impose sporting sanctions wearing the OneLove armband.

    The FA is deeply unhappy that their captain Harry Kane faced the prospect of an instant booking had he donned it against Iran. Fifa has not specified what sporting sanctions would have meant but the FA was under the firm impression that Kane would have been booked.

    “As a squad we all stand for it,” England’s goalkeeper, Jordan Pickford, said. “We all wanted Harry to wear it, but I think the decision got taken out of our hands as a squad and as players. If Harry wore it and got a yellow card and missed the next game it’s not going to be ideal for us.”

    It remains to be seen if England’s players decide to follow their German counterparts by mounting a different form of protest before playing the USA tomorrow. Gareth Southgate attempted to draw a line under the issue after his side’s 6-2 win over Iran, arguing that he and his players should be allowed to concentrate on their performances on the pitch.

    1 vote
  12. cfabbro
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    No truth to rumours Danish FA is planning to leave FIFA, says DBU The rumour was being reported on by various tabloids, sports blogs, and less-than-reputable news organizations (like RT), and it...

    No truth to rumours Danish FA is planning to leave FIFA, says DBU

    The rumour was being reported on by various tabloids, sports blogs, and less-than-reputable news organizations (like RT), and it was then spreading like wildfire on social media (esp reddit and twitter), but this seems to put all that firmly to bed.

    Although in related news:
    Danes won't support Infantino re-election after armband spat, says FA

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  13. random
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    Brazil 1 x 0 Switzerland November 28, 2022 (Monday) Casemiro stunner ends Switzerland resistance to fire Brazil into last 16. With that result, Brazil is qualified for the playoffs and will play...

    Brazil 1 x 0 Switzerland
    November 28, 2022 (Monday)

    Casemiro stunner ends Switzerland resistance to fire Brazil into last 16.

    With that result, Brazil is qualified for the playoffs and will play against Cameroon next Friday with no obligation to win.

    Videos (multiple options to avoid geoblocking):

    1 vote
  14. cfabbro
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    FIFA charges Ecuador over fan chants at World Cup opener (AP)

    FIFA charges Ecuador over fan chants at World Cup opener (AP)

    Discriminatory chants allegedly by Ecuador fans at the World Cup opening game led FIFA to open the first disciplinary case of the tournament on Tuesday.

    FIFA said the charge was brought “due to chants” at the game against Qatar on Sunday and cited the section of its disciplinary code dealing with discrimination.

    The chants were reportedly directed at Chile, which brought a legal case ahead of the World Cup to try to take Ecuador’s place.

    FIFA gave no timetable for dealing with the case against the Ecuadorian soccer federation, which is held responsible for fan behavior at games.

    Ecuador fans also drew global attention to their chants in Spanish of “we want beer” during the team’s 2-0 win at Al Bayt Stadium. It was a reference to FIFA and Qatari organizers banning the sale of beer with alcohol at stadiums.