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What will be ~ stereotypes in a while?
On Reddit, it's reposts, hive mind and T_D. How will people from the outside view ~ers in the future? Or now, I guess.
On Reddit, it's reposts, hive mind and T_D. How will people from the outside view ~ers in the future? Or now, I guess.
Honestly, I’m just afraid it will turn into Reddit 2.0. A large portion, perhaps even a majority, of its users are already Reddit transplants, and I’m just afraid they’ll end up showing the same behaviors here as they did over there. Even without the memes and low-effort “shitposting,” it’s possible for the users to still turn every comment section into an echo chamber, only voting based on what they agree with and leaving the conflicting opinions and points of view at the bottom of the comment section, no matter how relevant to the discussion they may be. We already saw a lot of this behavior with the misuse of the tag system, and even without that and with no ability to downvote, it’s still possible for users to say what they think will get votes or vote by what they agree with. I just don’t want that to happen here, but with so many users from Reddit used to that type of behavior there is a high chance it will try to take hold here. Tight moderation is about the only way we can avoid this, but there’s not really a way to prevent people voting based on their own opinions.
New here. Can you explain what you mean about the abuses of the tag system that occured already? Thanks!
I have a question, maybe it's silly I don't know. Is there any downside to having an "I disagree" tag, or would people still abuse the "noise" or "off-topic" tags? I mean, I know people are terrible, but if we were given the option and expectation, would it be useful?
An "I disagree" tag seems like it wouldn't be useful because disagreement is subjective to each individual viewing the post. That's the issue at large here - users have a hard time objectively tagging content and leaving their own personal bias behind.
If you disagree, say why. If you can't say why, why should anyone care whether you agree or not?
That's why it's so important that the design of the site produces better behaviour than "reddit behaviour". @Demios @tildesteam we cheer you on <3
IMO it's progressive people, a fun environment, and a lot of podcast listeners
self-congratulatory naval-gazing fraternal echo chamber dwellers
I can see the "self-congratulatory naval-gazing dwellers", but aren't we trying to fight echo chambers?
There have already been accusations of tildes being a "walled garden" or echo chamber based on its stated goals and the two bans so far, so I'm guessing there will always be at least some people who feel this way. But you can't please everyone~
Honestly, the discussions around controversial topics that I've seen lately are quite civilized and take multiple viewpoints into account.
It's quite refreshing to be honest.
You can read the comment thread that prompted it at the bottom of this topic, although the comments by the banned user have been deleted. The banned user made a thread on r/tildes, and although they've deleted their posts there you can get an idea of what happened and the reasoning behind it from what other people are saying.
There was not a post about it, afaik - it was in a post about lgbt stuff, and someone apparently said something negative about transgender stuff. I suspect that content needed to be censored unlike @redacted since canadian law is involved. https://tildes.net/~talk/16b/hey_ers_how_many_of_us_are_queer#comment-8xa
WTF, I was hoping in some weird typo but hey, I also found a user they don't want BDSM thread because BDSM topic can only revolve around lust.
Maybe it was the same guy.
i think the consensus in past discussion was that pornography ought to be discouraged generally. I can imagine it's possible that BDSM content could exist without being pornographic, but I'm not sure really how.
There's plenty folks can discuss: consent, techniques, safety, negotiation, how to broach the possibility of BDSM with a partner, suggested/favorite equipment, what things like subspace feel like, how to find a meetup, etc.
It's actually very interesting stuff, even if you're not personally into the specific acts.
More generally, you can talk about sex without the intent to arouse people. (That might still be the effect for some folks, but the point is discussion, not titillation.)
There are psychological implication in BDSM that it's better if they're freely discussed to avoid bad consequences.
To give you and example on a very practical level, an acquaintance of my wife died because she went on doing BDSM stuff, specifically with ropes, with someone that was clearly not a person expert on it whatsover but that was selling it as if he was. She died suffucating for some wrong knots.
My wife had a bad feeling about this guy but couldn't swear he was a fraud because she didn't met him in person. He ended up in prison for it, killed himself, and the whole BDSM community got hit by a tsunami of shit on the medias for a while.
BDSM is just a different way of approach erotics. Everyone has its own fantasy. If you find erotic to imagine having sex with someone in a Leya costume, it's still a tint of BDSM and no one should judge you for that.
By allowing this kind of topic, you can help "newbie" in this particular area of sexual practice into not doing stupid things.
If you want a more general example of how much good being free to discuss "sex education" in general would be a good thing, imagine that a persona that like being a "slave" but not much, could never understand that there are people that are "switch", not master, nor slaves, they simply like to change their role depending on the occasion. Now imagine if this person find a simple abuser that want to play "the master" just because he likes to treat people like shit.
BDSM is so vast of a topic that it's what the current sex ed courses should already cover because we don't live anymore in the sexual repression era in which the only right way to do it was after being married and only with him over her. Goddamnit, even then, the vast majority weren't doing it just for "procreation".
Just to be clear, the trashy picture on /r/gonewild with cunts in full 4k are the ones I'd like to not have here. BDSM is like the opposite of that. I'm all for not allowing "picture" submission on sex related topic and limit it to discussion but I feel like it's reduntant as that should be the general rule here.
If it doesn't serve the purpose to foster a discussion, it's going to be burned to the ground.
P.S. Offtopic
@Deimos, this is a good example of why we need comments to be anonymised after a while. I don't have problem talking about BDSM but maybe an employer or a nosy colleague could try and search for something to discredit me with with some bigoted boss.
I want to be able to talk about things and cites personal experience and anecdote without havin to fear that someone could use it to harass me.
I saw the bdsm thread. The person seemed to be really anti any sexual discussions I felt.
progressive would be a negative stereotype for people who are not of that political ideology. Echo chamber would be a related one.
Right now, nothing. After all nobody on the outside can see what we've written. Probably mysterious if anything, betting we're the illuminati or something like that. Nobody tell them it's just requests for moving the box up :P
Hopefully we won't just become known as a seeding ground for reddit drop offs like voat is. Voat even adopted the naming scheme that redditors use where people call themselves voaters. Voat's identity is mostly redditors but racist. I prefer the lack of individual site identity beyond just being a user. Having tilde become a facade for my internet identity and becoming a 'tilder' would be a step away from what I'm looking for.
I guess what I'm hoping for is that being the tilde version of a redditor except with a different moniker doesn't become part of the site identity.
I missed the whole Voat situation when it happened, but was it obvious by the time it had reached the size Tildes is now that it was going south?
Without really knowing much, I'd guess that Tildes, while a similar idea, is coming out of different time for different reasons. Just from a quick look at Voat, I can already tell the format is almost completely lifted from Reddit, whereas Tildes has some tweaks and is seems to be heading in a different direction but I guess time will tell.
What happened was Reddit started cleaning out some of the unsavory elements that had sprung up. They threw out subreddits like FatPeopleHate, CoonTown, Trans_Fags, ShitNwordsSay etc. Basically negative, antisocial subreddits that not only thrived on agonizing other human beings but often made it to the front page of reddit. Those people who got tossed out went to Voat.
This was also around the time that the people employed by the presidential campaign to run The_Donald started abusing reddit's algorithm. It was quite ingenious, they would post carefully crafted pro-Trump articles and then sticky them within seconds of posting. This meant that thousands of bots as well as legitimate T_D users would immediately start upvoting these posts at all hours of the day. And that resulted in posts getting launched to the front page within minutes even though the posts sometimes had 50% vote ratios once they made it into top 50 of /r/all.
This is relevant because other subreddits, sadly most of the hate subreddits, caught on and started doing the same.
Did subreddits like CoonTown and ShitNiggersSay ever make it to the front page? I know FPH did from time to time, but most of the other subs that were banned seemed fairly underground.
Well I mostly used those as examples off the top of my head, but you're probably right. To the best of my knowledge they didn't make it to the front page. Other hate subs did though.
Even if they don't make front page they're rather advertiser unfriendly which is why reddit removed them I'd guess.
Anyone that calls the owner of a website that just wants to moderate well and be high-quality calling that person "bat-shit insane violent dictator" is exactly the kind of person we do not want here.
On the plus side, this works in Tildes favour. Reasonable and sensible people will immediately recognise this person's complete over-reaction and understand that it's a lie. This will prompt them to want to check it out themselves.
This kind of thing will promote the site more, help pre-filter out goons that we don't want because goons will stay away and make more reasonable people who recognise this user is a goon want to come see for themselves.
There's definitely hyperbole in the quoted comment, and the argument is still somewhat logical- though I don't know about the premise it rests upon:
If it is true that deimos thinks reddit/twitter/facebook permits racism and is too liberal with free speech,
and if it is true that twitter, reddit, and facebook are already opposed to racism, and restrict free expression
then it is logical to conclude that the admin/creator has even more authoritarian views than spez/zuck/jack do on free expression/censorship.
I tend to think it's slightly more nuanced than that person suggests, but there's a grain of truth to it.
On a tangent, I feel more oppressed by the group think and mass down voting on Reddit than I do from any site censorship policies.
It's genuinely disheartening to walk into a big discussion on Reddit and write out a well thought out response with unpopular opinions, only to see enraged/sarcastic emotional responses and have the post instantly buried without any good discussion. Stopping this behavior is one of the primary objectives on Tildes and it goes a long way toward protecting free speech in the sense that everyone has the right to voice their opinion.
In my opinion a website with a more limited set of discussion topics within which communication is free and uncensored is favorable and arguable more "free" than one with a larger set of discussion topics within which communication is often censored by the website mechanics.
It's only logical if you're American.
Nobody in the rest of the world believes free speech includes the right to harm others with speech, which is objectively understood to be true of racism and other forms of hatespeech.
Your right to free speech should end precisely at the point where it hurts people. Just as your right to do whatever you want physically should end exactly at the point where it hurts people.
Reddit isn't free speech anyway. Thinking so is really naive.
The person quoted doesn't think so either.
Happily though, that does not seem to be the majority opinion of that reddit thread. A decent amount of people seem interested.
How does one get invites anyways? I do not appear to have any. I would guess its a time thing, but I am not certain.
every now and then deimos does a thing and everyone has some to hand out. there's a link on your profile page.
'can we move the comment box' :-)
I genuinely snorted and giggled.
Trying to imagine the noise of you doing both at once :-)
There
No, it's better to have it at the bottom. It cuts down on knee-jerk commenting and encourages people to respond to top level comments.
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The stereotype was the constant posting of that suggestion!
Oh no we're Hipster Reddit
I'm not gay. Love having hey friend, my most funny friends are gay.
Neither podcast addicted (but I try not to waste my commute time by listening to some tech or her podcast from time to time)
Heavy Windows user but I will definitely choose a Linux machine over windows for my Dev job.
Still, don't see anything wrong with those "stereotype" :D
Edit: I see that I kind of over-reacted. I suppose that is because I never saw "stereotype" as a good word and those habits/types in my books are pretty good.
Sounds like a fun crowd to me.
Hopefully not that it's ~dead.
Yeah, not r/dead.
They will barely have any idea that we exist.
And that might be a good thing.
There's a lot of discontent in reddit right now - this site is well-timed. When Voat first gained traction there was a massive amount of buzz around it - and I think we'll see the same effect play out with regards to ~, maybe even to a greater extent because unlike Voat, ~ isn't cesspit of radical alt-righters.
Tildos are the left wing version of Voaters.
I wouldn't mind that one.