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I don't like fate because I am not in control of my life
I think people who believe in fate are slaves of their own mind. I can't stand not being in control of my life, can you?
I think people who believe in fate are slaves of their own mind. I can't stand not being in control of my life, can you?
Of course fate is an entirely human concept, not an inherent force to the universe. Ideas like fate only work due to confirmation bias.
But if by fate you mean the lack of free will, then that's a bit different. I don't believe there is such a thing as free will. Elements to the universe are either deterministic or random. For those things that are deterministic (most things at the macro scale) you play no role. It's a pure chain reaction of interactions between objects. For things that are non-deterministic, like some things on the quantum scale, I would argue that the pure randomness also removes any room for free will. You can not determine the outcome of a purely random event and if you could influence it that would make it deterministic.
I think Heisenberg's uncertainty principle only proves fate cannot exist. If free will is the ability to take an action without outside influence, and we are made of tiny particles with non-deterministic factors, isn't the randomness basically free will?
In practice, however, I think there is no such thing as complete free will. Your parents shape your personality, and your personality will go on to shape your life. Every person's decisions are affected by their environment, so by assessing societal factors surrounding a group of people, it is possible to predict mass trends.
i look at it exactly the opposite.
Just because some particles are non-deterministic doesn’t mean they affect our decisions.
even if non-deterministic particles do affect our decisions, then that isn’t something that we chose to happen. We are still products of the laws of physics, even if they aren’t predetermined.
If there's no free will there really isn't a you at all.
Even if there is, you could make the argument that free will is part of the collective world. I don't think individuality and free will are inherently part of the same question.
To me “fate” is just a catch-all term for things the lie outside my control, directly or otherwise. I don’t treat that in a fatalist way, like “oh there is nothing I can ever do about this” but it does help with accepting things as they are on a certain level.
That's the way I look at it. Certain things are beyond my control, and therefore practically "fated." I don't believe that there is a set chain of events that is going to happen regardless of what people do, but I do believe that the sun is going to set a few minutes later than it did last night and come back up a few minutes earlier than it did this morning.
This reminds me of when people go to Buddhist monks and ask about their future.
The monk asks, "Would you like me to tell you your future?"
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"It's uncertain"
I don't believe in anticipating the future or reconciling the past. That stuff doesn't matter to me as much as the here and now.
Your post reminded me of this snippet from The Gods of Pegāna:
You're destined to meet a fate one way or another, but you can choose whether to arrive at that destination passively, or actively. By taking an active role, you can in turn change the destination you're fated to arrive at, or at least change the path you take to get there.
A short story was written by one u/psycho_alpaca some time back. Here's one of the chapters: https://pastebin.com/3WYMVypW
This is the way I think about "fate" and "destiny".
How do you feel about determinism?
Spinoza wrote something very interesting about "free will" in his Ethics. The gist of his argument at this point is that a stone (if conscious), having been thrown towards a pool, would think "Look at how well I am throwing myself towards this pool" in a manner similar to how many think of free will. The exact phrasing is a little more precise and complex:
BTW, if you love really complex, recursive philosophy, I highly recommend the Ethics. It is a largely infinitely recursive geometrical argument the likes of which the world had never seen and will likely never see again.