Never thought I was gonna say it, but... @Deimos' moderation efforts. I'm rather anti-authority to begin with. I have strong issues with improper distribution of control, and lack of ownership,...
Never thought I was gonna say it, but... @Deimos' moderation efforts.
I'm rather anti-authority to begin with. I have strong issues with improper distribution of control, and lack of ownership, and stripping of agenda... I've also seen moderators abuse their power casually on a forum of thousands, 'cause they felt like having fun. I also come from Russia. (If that doesn't tell you enough, read more about this corrupt country.)
But I've also seen what Deimos has curbed on this forum – partly because I took part in threads that got cut off, when I was still young to this place's spirit. It's clear to me that good thought and good will comes into the efforts to moderate Tildes, to keep it as well-spirited as it is.
I'm still skeptical of anyone that has this amount of power over a community – but at least, as far as I'm aware, Deimos is doing good work with it, and I'm more glad for it.
Definitely. I think most moderators/admins start out well intentioned, but many of them can't deal with the amount of power they have. I wonder how you could actually make it work without having a...
I'm still skeptical of anyone that has this amount of power over a community – but at least, as far as I'm aware, Deimos is doing good work with it, and I'm more glad for it.
Definitely. I think most moderators/admins start out well intentioned, but many of them can't deal with the amount of power they have.
I wonder how you could actually make it work without having a "benevolent dictator".
The trust system that's planned to be eventually implemented sounds like a good solution to that I think. It'd definitely have to be developed very carefully and slowly to ensure it works well,...
I wonder how you could actually make it work without having a "benevolent dictator".
The trust system that's planned to be eventually implemented sounds like a good solution to that I think. It'd definitely have to be developed very carefully and slowly to ensure it works well, and would likely need a whole host of tweaks over time to keep it going, but it still feels like it'd be a great solution that should theoretically be able to adapt well to bursts of growth.
A lot of the early posters, myself included, have dropped off. I still lurk, but I don't even log in these days. Logged in just to comment this. When my browser forgets this cookie, I probably...
A lot of the early posters, myself included, have dropped off. I still lurk, but I don't even log in these days.
Logged in just to comment this. When my browser forgets this cookie, I probably won't be logged back in again for another few months.
This is quite normal in a young forum once the novelty wears off a bit. It turns around when there are bursts of new signups and new activity, which drives submissions and comments up. Topics also...
This is quite normal in a young forum once the novelty wears off a bit. It turns around when there are bursts of new signups and new activity, which drives submissions and comments up. Topics also tend to diversify. This teases out users who have become less active, and draws them back in.
In my case I've seen quite the opposite. Topics on Tildes are somewhat predictable, and while that's not a bad thing, I don't feel the need or desire to contribute basically...ever. It is what it is.
In my case I've seen quite the opposite. Topics on Tildes are somewhat predictable, and while that's not a bad thing, I don't feel the need or desire to contribute basically...ever. It is what it is.
It was a number of years, 2-3 I think. The early days of reddit did not even have subreddits yet and a lot of the content was scraped and copied from other websites rather than submitted by...
It was a number of years, 2-3 I think. The early days of reddit did not even have subreddits yet and a lot of the content was scraped and copied from other websites rather than submitted by people. Reddit back then was really just the comment section of /r/reddit.com.
I'm smugly satisfied that Tildes never needed to use bots to generate content. :)
That was pretty innovative at the time though. Back then the big challenge of being online was finding interesting things because content was distributed all over the place. Now it's all...
That was pretty innovative at the time though. Back then the big challenge of being online was finding interesting things because content was distributed all over the place. Now it's all centralized and paywalled and what content is out there is SEO or clickbait so bots are not only not useful, but also there isn't as much worth reading/seeing that's interesting. We're drowned in low effort crap.
Also, AFAIK subreddits were basically invented to quarantine /r/politics because people were sick of political discussions drowning out all other content.
Well, I have 2 rudimentary and rough guesses. Both are pretty bad when compared to history. guess 1 The first is based on how many people subbed onto the most subbed sub (~tildes.official) at some...
Well, I have 2 rudimentary and rough guesses. Both are pretty bad when compared to history.
guess 1
The first is based on how many people subbed onto the most subbed sub (~tildes.official) at some date of archival ( in this case August 23) take the amount of subs of the group and subtract it from the current amount of subs in the most subbed group right now. (Still ~tildes.official) the amounts turned out to be 11268-10897 which equals 371 new subs in the period of time from then to now. (116 days.) That would equal 3.2 subs per day on average which would make the total 50k in 33 years.
guess 2
A less ridiculous (but still bad) guess would be to take the percentage of users added over a time period and assume that will be constant. Based on the 11% growth over april 24th and multiplying that by 1.53 to make a year and then multiplying that percentage until we get 50k gave just under 10 years. This is, of course, still pretty ridiculous.
Here's my guess: Reddit does something stupid again, Tildes gets mentioned in the comments, and suddenly we have several hundred new invite requests in /r/tildes. The real question is at what...
Here's my guess: Reddit does something stupid again, Tildes gets mentioned in the comments, and suddenly we have several hundred new invite requests in /r/tildes.
The real question is at what frequency does reddit piss off their userbase? Every time they do, we get a burst of subscribers.
Alternatively, some tech site or prominent podcast might catch our scent, report about Tildes, and that could drive a large number of invites our way as well.
It's the bursts that really drive growth, and you never know when or where one will appear.
Late but I agree. As I said, my guesses are rudimentary. I find it kind of strange they wouldn't know about us already, since we seem to be the one of only 2 serious 'break-out user aggregated...
Here's my guess: Reddit does something stupid again, Tildes gets mentioned in the comments, and suddenly we have several hundred new invite requests in /r/tildes.
The real question is at what frequency does reddit piss off their userbase? Every time they do, we get a burst of subscribers.
Late but I agree. As I said, my guesses are rudimentary.
Alternatively, some tech site or prominent podcast might catch our scent, report about Tildes, and that could drive a large number of invites our way as well.
I find it kind of strange they wouldn't know about us already, since we seem to be the one of only 2 serious 'break-out user aggregated content sites' along with lobsters that isn't already well-known and has a serious community.
I remember these! Might just wget them all so I have them. Edit: I wgot the poems. Sorry about the traffic Deimos, I might have accidentally downloaded all of /images/site-icons/. Will --reject...
I remember these! Might just wget them all so I have them.
Edit: I wgot the poems. Sorry about the traffic Deimos, I might have accidentally downloaded all of /images/site-icons/. Will --reject png next time.
I'm absolutely terrible at accepting compliments since they always make me feel incredibly awkward... but thanks, I appreciate the mentions, @Death, @suspended, @vivaria and @Icarus. :)
I'm absolutely terrible at accepting compliments since they always make me feel incredibly awkward... but thanks, I appreciate the mentions, @Death, @suspended, @vivaria and @Icarus. :)
Aw, shucks. Thank you very much for the kind words, @vivaria. I don't think I could do justice to appreciations by specifically naming people because there are so many people here I value and...
Aw, shucks. Thank you very much for the kind words, @vivaria.
I don't think I could do justice to appreciations by specifically naming people because there are so many people here I value and respect, so I'll simply say that I love this site and I love the community we have here. So many people contribute to making this a great place whether that's through contributing directly, posting great articles, or commenting thoughtfully.
More than all of that, however, I can come online here and know that I'm not going to witness knock-down, drag-out fights. I can come online here and know that I'm not going to be inundated with shallow pithy hot takes and destructive pessimistic sarcasm. I can come online here and know that I'm not talking to bots, bad actors, and manipulators. I can come online here and know that I won't have to face hate, whether directed at me or someone else.
These are features of the site that can seem invisible because it's often hard to notice what's not there, but I don't take them for granted. Tildes is a wonderful little oasis within the increasingly hostile internet. I post everything that I do here because I appreciate this community that we're building, and it's made not just by what everyone here is doing but by the absence of so many other negative factors. Thank all of you for contributing to their absence and for helping to make a place online where we can all comfortably coexist, share our lives, and talk about the things that are important to us.
Yeah this is a huge part of this community for me too. When I visit Tildes I don't have to pre-ready my emotional defenses to hateful or vitriolic commentary. Seems like a small thing, but the...
I can come online here and know that I won't have to face hate, whether directed at me or someone else.
Yeah this is a huge part of this community for me too. When I visit Tildes I don't have to pre-ready my emotional defenses to hateful or vitriolic commentary. Seems like a small thing, but the subconcious burden of employing those defenses on any other website or platform is not trivial—at least for me.
It doesn't even have to be a safe space for the concept to work, it just has to be free of warring and general internet nonsense. On that front, Tildes is already achieving its goals.
It makes such a huge difference! Prior to joining Tildes I had left all social media. Like many here, I spent years on reddit before leaving due to toxicity. Getting off of social media was an...
It makes such a huge difference! Prior to joining Tildes I had left all social media. Like many here, I spent years on reddit before leaving due to toxicity.
Getting off of social media was an attempt at detoxing, but I didn't realize how deeply it had rooted in me until I started posting here. For my first few months, every time I loaded up Tildes and saw the orange comment notification (similar in location and color to reddit), my immediate unconscious response was fear. I felt a little pang of "uhoh" each time it happened because I had been conditioned to expect the worst.
I don't feel that way anymore, but it took a surprisingly long time to deprogram that response in me. I didn't realize how good it feels to not have your guard up until that innate reflex went away.
Now I'm happy to see the notification. It's exciting! It means someone's engaging with me! And even if they're disagreeing with me, I don't feel like I have to armor up and steel myself before facing their comment. This is how it should be, but this isn't the norm for most other places.
I'd like to say I feel like this is more present today than it was half a year ago as many bans and simply time have driven away a good deal of the bad faith actors, but I still often feel a...
even if they're disagreeing with me, I don't feel like I have to armor up and steel myself before facing their comment.
I'd like to say I feel like this is more present today than it was half a year ago as many bans and simply time have driven away a good deal of the bad faith actors, but I still often feel a twinge of "well shit, is this person going to fight me or is this going to be a productive discussion?"
I do find more interesting comment threads to read on tildes, though, for sure, and there are certain posters around here (yourself included) who provide quality interactions, so despite having been on this platform practically since launch I haven't completely disappeared like some of the older regulars.
I’ve noticed @emdash as a frequent and high quality poster. This comment with predictions was what made me notice a few days ago. That was probably a lot of effort!
I’ve noticed @emdash as a frequent and high quality poster. This comment with predictions was what made me notice a few days ago. That was probably a lot of effort!
Seconding @emdash. And I would also add a shoutout to @kfwyre, @skybrian, @hungariantoast and @mycketforvirrad as well, for their similarly consistent contributions of high quality content. p.s....
p.s. Shoutout to all the Tildes discord and Gitlab crews as well, who are too numerous to mention individually (and I would hate to forget anyone by trying) but I still very much appreciate all the contributions of. :)
I really appreciate your presence here too, @vivaria. You have on more than one occasion managed to completely defuse a tense situation and/or escalating argument with your words of empathy and...
I really appreciate your presence here too, @vivaria. You have on more than one occasion managed to completely defuse a tense situation and/or escalating argument with your words of empathy and compassion. I'm really glad you came back to Tildes. :)
@mrbig for not just good discussion, but often being the one to bring more unique discussion due to being from Brazil, a completely different environment.
@mrbig for not just good discussion, but often being the one to bring more unique discussion due to being from Brazil, a completely different environment.
I'm happy to mention @kfwyre, @cfabbro, @dubteedub, @Algernon_Asimov, and @mrbig off the top of my head. And @Deimos, of course. I don't frequent as much as I used to so it's tough to specify why...
I'm happy to mention @kfwyre, @cfabbro, @dubteedub, @Algernon_Asimov, and @mrbig off the top of my head. And @Deimos, of course. I don't frequent as much as I used to so it's tough to specify why exactly for each, but you all do stand out in memory as people who I've noted contribute quality.
I'm a bit saddened to realize that more people than I realized whose contributions I particularly enjoyed seem to have either moved on or been moved on :(
If I'm allowed to comment without actually answering the question, I'll just say this.. I'm glad that it seems we're allowed to put threads up that encourages talking about other users, (not in a...
If I'm allowed to comment without actually answering the question, I'll just say this.. I'm glad that it seems we're allowed to put threads up that encourages talking about other users, (not in a bad way).
A question like this would get zapped pretty quickly /r/AskReddit or most of reddit in general.
Never thought I was gonna say it, but... @Deimos' moderation efforts.
I'm rather anti-authority to begin with. I have strong issues with improper distribution of control, and lack of ownership, and stripping of agenda... I've also seen moderators abuse their power casually on a forum of thousands, 'cause they felt like having fun. I also come from Russia. (If that doesn't tell you enough, read more about this corrupt country.)
But I've also seen what Deimos has curbed on this forum – partly because I took part in threads that got cut off, when I was still young to this place's spirit. It's clear to me that good thought and good will comes into the efforts to moderate Tildes, to keep it as well-spirited as it is.
I'm still skeptical of anyone that has this amount of power over a community – but at least, as far as I'm aware, Deimos is doing good work with it, and I'm more glad for it.
Definitely. I think most moderators/admins start out well intentioned, but many of them can't deal with the amount of power they have.
I wonder how you could actually make it work without having a "benevolent dictator".
The trust system that's planned to be eventually implemented sounds like a good solution to that I think. It'd definitely have to be developed very carefully and slowly to ensure it works well, and would likely need a whole host of tweaks over time to keep it going, but it still feels like it'd be a great solution that should theoretically be able to adapt well to bursts of growth.
I used to appreciate @Algernon_Asimov contributions, but haven't seen him in a while :(
A lot of the early posters, myself included, have dropped off. I still lurk, but I don't even log in these days.
Logged in just to comment this. When my browser forgets this cookie, I probably won't be logged back in again for another few months.
This is quite normal in a young forum once the novelty wears off a bit. It turns around when there are bursts of new signups and new activity, which drives submissions and comments up. Topics also tend to diversify. This teases out users who have become less active, and draws them back in.
In my case I've seen quite the opposite. Topics on Tildes are somewhat predictable, and while that's not a bad thing, I don't feel the need or desire to contribute basically...ever. It is what it is.
If this place plays out similar to reddit, the next real activity tier is when Tildes has around 50k active users.
I wonder when that will happen. Do you know how long it took for reddit to reach 50 000 users?
It was a number of years, 2-3 I think. The early days of reddit did not even have subreddits yet and a lot of the content was scraped and copied from other websites rather than submitted by people. Reddit back then was really just the comment section of /r/reddit.com.
I'm smugly satisfied that Tildes never needed to use bots to generate content. :)
That was pretty innovative at the time though. Back then the big challenge of being online was finding interesting things because content was distributed all over the place. Now it's all centralized and paywalled and what content is out there is SEO or clickbait so bots are not only not useful, but also there isn't as much worth reading/seeing that's interesting. We're drowned in low effort crap.
Also, AFAIK subreddits were basically invented to quarantine /r/politics because people were sick of political discussions drowning out all other content.
Well, I have 2 rudimentary and rough guesses. Both are pretty bad when compared to history.
guess 1
The first is based on how many people subbed onto the most subbed sub (~tildes.official) at some date of archival ( in this case August 23) take the amount of subs of the group and subtract it from the current amount of subs in the most subbed group right now. (Still ~tildes.official) the amounts turned out to be 11268-10897 which equals 371 new subs in the period of time from then to now. (116 days.) That would equal 3.2 subs per day on average which would make the total 50k in 33 years.
guess 2
A less ridiculous (but still bad) guess would be to take the percentage of users added over a time period and assume that will be constant. Based on the 11% growth over april 24th and multiplying that by 1.53 to make a year and then multiplying that percentage until we get 50k gave just under 10 years. This is, of course, still pretty ridiculous.
Here's my guess: Reddit does something stupid again, Tildes gets mentioned in the comments, and suddenly we have several hundred new invite requests in /r/tildes.
The real question is at what frequency does reddit piss off their userbase? Every time they do, we get a burst of subscribers.
Alternatively, some tech site or prominent podcast might catch our scent, report about Tildes, and that could drive a large number of invites our way as well.
It's the bursts that really drive growth, and you never know when or where one will appear.
Late but I agree. As I said, my guesses are rudimentary.
I find it kind of strange they wouldn't know about us already, since we seem to be the one of only 2 serious 'break-out user aggregated content sites' along with lobsters that isn't already well-known and has a serious community.
Some of us just like to change accounts every year.
Yeah, @Bishop as well, one of the good ones. Going to miss her poetry.
I remember these! Might just wget them all so I have them.
Edit: I wgot the poems. Sorry about the traffic Deimos, I might have accidentally downloaded all of /images/site-icons/. Will --reject png next time.
Some time in August, IIRC? Deimos briefly talked about why here, if you're curious.
Mid may of this year but they were unbanned eventually.
Gonna plug @cfabbro who's done a lot for the site and is also just a generally cool person to talk with.
@NaraVara is also a very good contributor.
third @cfabbro
I'm absolutely terrible at accepting compliments since they always make me feel incredibly awkward... but thanks, I appreciate the mentions, @Death, @suspended, @vivaria and @Icarus. :)
@cfabbro is my tildes spirit animal.
I haven't done shit behind the scenes but yes, thank you to the rest of you who are!
I did a bit of writing for a few of the group wikis, but no development work or anything. I wish I had the skills to help :P
Aw, shucks. Thank you very much for the kind words, @vivaria.
I don't think I could do justice to appreciations by specifically naming people because there are so many people here I value and respect, so I'll simply say that I love this site and I love the community we have here. So many people contribute to making this a great place whether that's through contributing directly, posting great articles, or commenting thoughtfully.
More than all of that, however, I can come online here and know that I'm not going to witness knock-down, drag-out fights. I can come online here and know that I'm not going to be inundated with shallow pithy hot takes and destructive pessimistic sarcasm. I can come online here and know that I'm not talking to bots, bad actors, and manipulators. I can come online here and know that I won't have to face hate, whether directed at me or someone else.
These are features of the site that can seem invisible because it's often hard to notice what's not there, but I don't take them for granted. Tildes is a wonderful little oasis within the increasingly hostile internet. I post everything that I do here because I appreciate this community that we're building, and it's made not just by what everyone here is doing but by the absence of so many other negative factors. Thank all of you for contributing to their absence and for helping to make a place online where we can all comfortably coexist, share our lives, and talk about the things that are important to us.
Yeah this is a huge part of this community for me too. When I visit Tildes I don't have to pre-ready my emotional defenses to hateful or vitriolic commentary. Seems like a small thing, but the subconcious burden of employing those defenses on any other website or platform is not trivial—at least for me.
It doesn't even have to be a safe space for the concept to work, it just has to be free of warring and general internet nonsense. On that front, Tildes is already achieving its goals.
It makes such a huge difference! Prior to joining Tildes I had left all social media. Like many here, I spent years on reddit before leaving due to toxicity.
Getting off of social media was an attempt at detoxing, but I didn't realize how deeply it had rooted in me until I started posting here. For my first few months, every time I loaded up Tildes and saw the orange comment notification (similar in location and color to reddit), my immediate unconscious response was fear. I felt a little pang of "uhoh" each time it happened because I had been conditioned to expect the worst.
I don't feel that way anymore, but it took a surprisingly long time to deprogram that response in me. I didn't realize how good it feels to not have your guard up until that innate reflex went away.
Now I'm happy to see the notification. It's exciting! It means someone's engaging with me! And even if they're disagreeing with me, I don't feel like I have to armor up and steel myself before facing their comment. This is how it should be, but this isn't the norm for most other places.
I'd like to say I feel like this is more present today than it was half a year ago as many bans and simply time have driven away a good deal of the bad faith actors, but I still often feel a twinge of "well shit, is this person going to fight me or is this going to be a productive discussion?"
I do find more interesting comment threads to read on tildes, though, for sure, and there are certain posters around here (yourself included) who provide quality interactions, so despite having been on this platform practically since launch I haven't completely disappeared like some of the older regulars.
I’ve noticed @emdash as a frequent and high quality poster. This comment with predictions was what made me notice a few days ago. That was probably a lot of effort!
Seconding @emdash. And I would also add a shoutout to @kfwyre, @skybrian, @hungariantoast and @mycketforvirrad as well, for their similarly consistent contributions of high quality content.
p.s. Shoutout to all the Tildes discord and Gitlab crews as well, who are too numerous to mention individually (and I would hate to forget anyone by trying) but I still very much appreciate all the contributions of. :)
Shout out to @mycketforvirrad for seemingly always being the first to improve post tags!
You mean, besides @Deimos ?(PS: thanks for this great un-reddit-y hang-out.)
I really appreciate your presence here too, @vivaria. You have on more than one occasion managed to completely defuse a tense situation and/or escalating argument with your words of empathy and compassion. I'm really glad you came back to Tildes. :)
@mrbig for not just good discussion, but often being the one to bring more unique discussion due to being from Brazil, a completely different environment.
I'm happy to mention @kfwyre, @cfabbro, @dubteedub, @Algernon_Asimov, and @mrbig off the top of my head. And @Deimos, of course. I don't frequent as much as I used to so it's tough to specify why exactly for each, but you all do stand out in memory as people who I've noted contribute quality.
I'm a bit saddened to realize that more people than I realized whose contributions I particularly enjoyed seem to have either moved on or been moved on :(
If I'm allowed to comment without actually answering the question, I'll just say this.. I'm glad that it seems we're allowed to put threads up that encourages talking about other users, (not in a bad way).
A question like this would get zapped pretty quickly /r/AskReddit or most of reddit in general.