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  1. chocolate
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    Massive flat communication networks and safe spaces are almost incompatible. Many people need safe spaces. The essential problem is that we are still trying to figure out norms for this kind of...

    Massive flat communication networks and safe spaces are almost incompatible. Many people need safe spaces. The essential problem is that we are still trying to figure out norms for this kind of technology.

    Twitter's primary failure is trying to please people who always want more. It picked the more lucrative side, but they are also the worst customers and will drive others away. Social networks need mass uptake. (I personally gave up on Twitter long ago, I now just have an egg and follow some interesting groups and some artists I like.)

    Reddit's primary failure is the moderator system. By outsourcing responsibility, the company can claim to be unbiased but the end-user experience is just as bad if not worse.

    Reasonable people understand that the internet has abuse, and rarely object to it being dealt with - as long as it appears to be consistent. Reasonable people understand that other people are more and less tolerant of sex, violence, swearing, hate, etc, and that a line has to be drawn somewhere - as long as it appears to be consistent.

    Many people are not reasonable and believe that all content should cater to their own standards while they should be allowed to act as they please.

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  2. est
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    note: 2017 post.

    note: 2017 post.

    6 votes
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    Tenar
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    Great article, thanks for the link! I rather expected the japenese/child porn issue to come up but can I mention that the way @mattskala@mstdn.io introduced the issue is fantastic? His thesis is...

    Great article, thanks for the link! I rather expected the japenese/child porn issue to come up but can I mention that the way @mattskala@mstdn.io introduced the issue is fantastic? His thesis is that there's two distinct things in the culture, and by mentioning them in hieroglyphs (fine, "unreadable by anyone not familiar with the terms anyways") and distinguishing them there's a lot of presuppositions that are kind of undone. Good writing, imo. It got a lot of comments on HN that took exactly the stance he describes in his article, which is an unwillingness to accept that it's a different (or non-)issue in Japan; I don't nearly know enough Japanese people or culture to make a statement myself, but it's weird that people fall into the same pattern without asking if maybe they could be not understanding something due to cultural differences.

    However, I think it's significant that when we had the same fight on Livejournal ten years earlier, it was the opposite way: fictional "child pornography" in the form of explicit Harry Potter fan art and therefore "free speech" was a Blue/Left/aGG/SJW thing, with the Red/Right/Gamergate/MRA side taking what we'd now call the "safe speech" position. For that reason I'm inclined to think that the link between Culture War sides and free/safe speech is more a matter of historical accident than anything naturally flowing from whatever defines these sides.

    Biggest surprise of the article for me (and that might be me showing my relatively young age). I wish this article had been kept up, with a really long history of mastodon.

    5 votes
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      chocolate
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      This article? http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ It's where the red tribe / blue tribe / grey tribe terminology comes from, and is required reading...

      This article? http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

      It's where the red tribe / blue tribe / grey tribe terminology comes from, and is required reading for anyone who uses social networks. OP a little off, as Gamergate and men's rights are very much grey tribe, they just look red because they're attacked by blue.

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        Tenar
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        No, I meant the OP article. the SSC article is good. What I was referring to is the switching of free/safe speech, and you might know—what caused that?

        No, I meant the OP article. the SSC article is good. What I was referring to is the switching of free/safe speech, and you might know—what caused that?

        1 vote
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    luke-jr
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    Never even heard of Mastodon until this post. Found the story humourous...

    Never even heard of Mastodon until this post. Found the story humourous...

    1 vote
    1. [3]
      Tenar
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      Worth checking out, really. If you've got questions feel free to ask

      Worth checking out, really. If you've got questions feel free to ask

      2 votes
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        starchturrets
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        What's the largest english language instance? I've been wanting to get into it, but seeing half the posts in foreign languages is daunting.

        What's the largest english language instance? I've been wanting to get into it, but seeing half the posts in foreign languages is daunting.

        1. Tenar
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          mastodon.social but I don't know if I'd recommend the biggest instance, you'd have a harder time to find people (the home timeline & federated timeline won't be all that useful)....

          mastodon.social but I don't know if I'd recommend the biggest instance, you'd have a harder time to find people (the home timeline & federated timeline won't be all that useful). https://www.joinmastodon.org/ is a useful starting point to find instances. I'd suggest trying to find something that aligns with hobbies, because most instances tend to not be too strict around them, but that'll help you find like-minded people

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