The people at Discord have a tough job. Between content like this and various other rooms that promote illegal content, their moderation is probably working at a negative capacity. I feel the only...
The people at Discord have a tough job.
Between content like this and various other rooms that promote illegal content, their moderation is probably working at a negative capacity. I feel the only way to curb illegal content is to have people register with real, identifiable information.
While I agree that's probably one of the only ways to combat this I also feel like a big part of the appeal of discord is its anonymity. I'm curious how they'll go about trying to solve this...
While I agree that's probably one of the only ways to combat this I also feel like a big part of the appeal of discord is its anonymity. I'm curious how they'll go about trying to solve this problem because I suspect they'd lose a lot of their user base if they tried to implement a system that required identifiable information.
The appeal of anonymity is great but I think the cons of it outweigh the pros. Of course, Discord makes it's own decisions for it's software and the anonymity aspect of it is very important to...
The appeal of anonymity is great but I think the cons of it outweigh the pros. Of course, Discord makes it's own decisions for it's software and the anonymity aspect of it is very important to them as well apparently.
But bad servers I have seen and reported:
White supremacists
Revenge porn for trading/selling
Piracy
There are awesome uses for the servers too outside of games:
Grassroots organizing
Bot ran servers with games
Music discovery through sharing
Sports talk
I guess the issue with forcing to use person info is where someone can take a semi-anonymous action outside of the server in real life that would have consequences.
I guess the overall solution that I can think of is IP bans from Discord.
Your position, prior to '03: Being homosexual is bad, illegal in fact Your position, prior to '15: Gay people adopting children is bad, illegal in fact
Your position, prior to '03:
Being homosexual is bad, illegal in fact
Your position, prior to '15:
Gay people adopting children is bad, illegal in fact
To expand on his last sentence, did you know that the EU did a study on piracy and found that - in the case of games - it actually increased sales? For everything else, no correlation between...
To expand on his last sentence, did you know that the EU did a study on piracy and found that - in the case of games - it actually increased sales? For everything else, no correlation between declining digital sales and piracy.
I think a channel dedicated to pirating and sharing brand new games is definitely bad. This wasn't some 3rd world country where gamers likely couldn't afford the games, the one I saw was 99%...
I think a channel dedicated to pirating and sharing brand new games is definitely bad.
This wasn't some 3rd world country where gamers likely couldn't afford the games, the one I saw was 99% American.
Sure, it's not causing physical harm but it causes me annoyances a year or two down the line with intrusive DRM.
It's a fair enough point. I'm definitely not pro piracy to the extent of "fuck yeah, steal everything! artists don't deserve to get paid!" which I think is what some people take it as.
It's a fair enough point. I'm definitely not pro piracy to the extent of "fuck yeah, steal everything! artists don't deserve to get paid!" which I think is what some people take it as.
Yeah I think it's a tough issue. Any steps taken to combat bad servers and users will also probably affect the user base as a whole. But I think that might be a price you have to pay for a...
Yeah I think it's a tough issue. Any steps taken to combat bad servers and users will also probably affect the user base as a whole. But I think that might be a price you have to pay for a community free of toxic groups.
Sure, but there's a pretty big difference between gathering user data and requiring personal information to sign up for a service. I don't think Discord is entirely anonymous but I do think part...
Sure, but there's a pretty big difference between gathering user data and requiring personal information to sign up for a service. I don't think Discord is entirely anonymous but I do think part of its appeal is how easy it is to sign up.
Yeah, on the one hand I know that those white supremacists who beat innocent people up should be arrested and thrown in the slammer but to break people's privacy just to try and get some evidence...
Yeah, on the one hand I know that those white supremacists who beat innocent people up should be arrested and thrown in the slammer but to break people's privacy just to try and get some evidence to convict them off it seems a step too far for me, IMHO. If people want to remain anonymous on the Internet they should be able to do so, and for the government to be able to spy on every little thing you do infringes on one's personal rights way too much
I mean that is the problem with being a common carrier and giving the ability to create servers without any sort of application process. Not unlike what Reddit had to deal with.
I mean that is the problem with being a common carrier and giving the ability to create servers without any sort of application process. Not unlike what Reddit had to deal with.
I find it interesting you phrased that in that way. It's not what Reddit "had to deal with" its what Reddit was built for. The site was originally for any and all content, illegal or otherwise, a...
Not unlike what Reddit had to deal with.
I find it interesting you phrased that in that way. It's not what Reddit "had to deal with" its what Reddit was built for. The site was originally for any and all content, illegal or otherwise, a platform for unadulterated freedom on the internet. It was a major part of the site wide belief system and its the reason a lot of people are currently frustrated with them.
It's only in the last few years that they started censoring content and only when that content came under public scrutiny. Then, in the last year or so they redid their ToS and went on a banning/censoring spree. All of this building up to the redesin and their "new" public image.
Make no mistake, having crazy fringe groups and "a sub for everything" was not an accidental byproduct of the website, it is why we created it.
I was going to reply with this myself. The average person on the street, presented with this headline, will probably think it's some hoodie-wearing darkweb hackerapp for neo-nazis to secretly meet...
I was going to reply with this myself. The average person on the street, presented with this headline, will probably think it's some hoodie-wearing darkweb hackerapp for neo-nazis to secretly meet and 'sow discord' among the general population.
While I definitely condemn the actions this is not unique in any way to Discord. Any place online that allows for anonymous and un-moderated spaces for people to connect, you're going to see...
While I definitely condemn the actions this is not unique in any way to Discord.
Any place online that allows for anonymous and un-moderated spaces for people to connect, you're going to see things like this.
The people at Discord have a tough job.
Between content like this and various other rooms that promote illegal content, their moderation is probably working at a negative capacity. I feel the only way to curb illegal content is to have people register with real, identifiable information.
While I agree that's probably one of the only ways to combat this I also feel like a big part of the appeal of discord is its anonymity. I'm curious how they'll go about trying to solve this problem because I suspect they'd lose a lot of their user base if they tried to implement a system that required identifiable information.
The appeal of anonymity is great but I think the cons of it outweigh the pros. Of course, Discord makes it's own decisions for it's software and the anonymity aspect of it is very important to them as well apparently.
But bad servers I have seen and reported:
There are awesome uses for the servers too outside of games:
I guess the issue with forcing to use person info is where someone can take a semi-anonymous action outside of the server in real life that would have consequences.
I guess the overall solution that I can think of is IP bans from Discord.
Piracy is not bad. Now, if they were pirating it and selling it, different story
Piracy is bad, illegal in fact
Your position, prior to '03:
Being homosexual is bad, illegal in fact
Your position, prior to '15:
Gay people adopting children is bad, illegal in fact
go1dfish made a very good point
To expand on his last sentence, did you know that the EU did a study on piracy and found that - in the case of games - it actually increased sales? For everything else, no correlation between declining digital sales and piracy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2017/09/21/european-commission-accused-of-burying-controversial-piracy-report/#75d9193d7e1d
Another similar study was just released as well, summarized a bit here: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180803/00045640356/yet-another-study-shows-you-beat-piracy-through-innovation-rather-than-enforcement.shtml
I think a channel dedicated to pirating and sharing brand new games is definitely bad.
This wasn't some 3rd world country where gamers likely couldn't afford the games, the one I saw was 99% American.
Sure, it's not causing physical harm but it causes me annoyances a year or two down the line with intrusive DRM.
It's a fair enough point. I'm definitely not pro piracy to the extent of "fuck yeah, steal everything! artists don't deserve to get paid!" which I think is what some people take it as.
Yeah I think it's a tough issue. Any steps taken to combat bad servers and users will also probably affect the user base as a whole. But I think that might be a price you have to pay for a community free of toxic groups.
What's Wire? Is it another chat application like Discord?
How anonymous is Discord, really? It still gathers data on it's users.
I wouldn't trust anything that wasn't e2e. Even then I would probably only log onto questionable accounts through a VPN.
Sure, but there's a pretty big difference between gathering user data and requiring personal information to sign up for a service. I don't think Discord is entirely anonymous but I do think part of its appeal is how easy it is to sign up.
Yeah, on the one hand I know that those white supremacists who beat innocent people up should be arrested and thrown in the slammer but to break people's privacy just to try and get some evidence to convict them off it seems a step too far for me, IMHO. If people want to remain anonymous on the Internet they should be able to do so, and for the government to be able to spy on every little thing you do infringes on one's personal rights way too much
I mean that is the problem with being a common carrier and giving the ability to create servers without any sort of application process. Not unlike what Reddit had to deal with.
I find it interesting you phrased that in that way. It's not what Reddit "had to deal with" its what Reddit was built for. The site was originally for any and all content, illegal or otherwise, a platform for unadulterated freedom on the internet. It was a major part of the site wide belief system and its the reason a lot of people are currently frustrated with them.
It's only in the last few years that they started censoring content and only when that content came under public scrutiny. Then, in the last year or so they redid their ToS and went on a banning/censoring spree. All of this building up to the redesin and their "new" public image.
Make no mistake, having crazy fringe groups and "a sub for everything" was not an accidental byproduct of the website, it is why we created it.
Gotta love the scare quotes around 'Discord'.
Yes, that weird app that none of us have heard of...
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the Washington Post's readership has no idea what Discord is.
I was going to reply with this myself. The average person on the street, presented with this headline, will probably think it's some hoodie-wearing darkweb hackerapp for neo-nazis to secretly meet and 'sow discord' among the general population.
While I definitely condemn the actions this is not unique in any way to Discord.
Any place online that allows for anonymous and un-moderated spaces for people to connect, you're going to see things like this.