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Personal Panopticons - A key product of ubiquitous surveillance is people who are comfortable with it

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  1. [7]
    NoblePath
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    I mean coupled with removal of pointless taboos, this is not a horrible way to live. Part of the Star Trek utopia includes full time and complete monitoring and recording by the shipboard...

    I mean coupled with removal of pointless taboos, this is not a horrible way to live. Part of the Star Trek utopia includes full time and complete monitoring and recording by the shipboard computer, and I would love living and working aboard the enterprise.

    1. patience_limited
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      You presume that living within a regime where algorithms provide anything from gentle cognitive nudges, to overt monetary rewards/punishments, to social credit/demerit systems, to full-time...

      You presume that living within a regime where algorithms provide anything from gentle cognitive nudges, to overt monetary rewards/punishments, to social credit/demerit systems, to full-time brainwashing propaganda individually tailored for your psyche, will be remotely tolerable.

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      Algernon_Asimov
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      Only for members of Starfleet - who, presumably, have agreed to such monitoring as a condition of being in Starfleet. There's no evidence that ordinary citizens of the Federation are subjected to...

      Part of the Star Trek utopia includes full time and complete monitoring and recording by the shipboard computer,

      Only for members of Starfleet - who, presumably, have agreed to such monitoring as a condition of being in Starfleet. There's no evidence that ordinary citizens of the Federation are subjected to this type of monitoring in their everyday lives.

      this is not a horrible way to live.

      Really? You're happy with corporations watching your every move? You never ever want to do something that noone else knows about? You're content for everything you do in your life to be nothing more than data for corporations to use to direct advertising at you?

      I'm not really happy with this increasing invasion of my privacy. There are some products and devices that I'm just not going to ever buy or use because I believe there should be some limits to what corporations get to know about me.

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        NoblePath
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        I don't like it from corporations, nor from a moralistic tyrannical majority. But from an organization committed to egalitarian principles with good accountability, I'd take it.

        I don't like it from corporations, nor from a moralistic tyrannical majority.

        But from an organization committed to egalitarian principles with good accountability, I'd take it.

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          Algernon_Asimov
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          But are there any such organisations? It's not the sort of thing which would arise naturally in our current society.

          But from an organization committed to egalitarian principles with good accountability

          But are there any such organisations? It's not the sort of thing which would arise naturally in our current society.

          1. NoblePath
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            Sweden and Switzerland might be in the direction. But just because there are no excellent examples today doesn't mean there can't ever be any.

            Sweden and Switzerland might be in the direction. But just because there are no excellent examples today doesn't mean there can't ever be any.

    3. teaearlgraycold
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      I recall someone (Quark?) on DS9 mentioning that it's illegal to invade someone's privacy when they're in a Holosuite. Star Trek isn't a complete panopticon.

      I recall someone (Quark?) on DS9 mentioning that it's illegal to invade someone's privacy when they're in a Holosuite. Star Trek isn't a complete panopticon.

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