Same. Nowadays, Firefox seems to be the last bastion holding out against Chrome. Good thing it's improved a lot lately, because Firefox can't afford to slip up, for all our sakes.
Same. Nowadays, Firefox seems to be the last bastion holding out against Chrome. Good thing it's improved a lot lately, because Firefox can't afford to slip up, for all our sakes.
The latter. Chrome itself is a decent browser, I don't have a problem with it, I have a problem with Google being the sole provider of the internet's browser, just like MS and IE 15 years ago.
The latter. Chrome itself is a decent browser, I don't have a problem with it, I have a problem with Google being the sole provider of the internet's browser, just like MS and IE 15 years ago.
Since chromium is open source and can just be forked, is this really an issue though? While I would agree that having more competing projects is a good thing, it does not seem to me like this is...
Since chromium is open source and can just be forked, is this really an issue though?
While I would agree that having more competing projects is a good thing, it does not seem to me like this is much of an issue. Google does not fully control chromium, so it is different from ie controlling the market with a proprietary and closed product.
They definitely have a controlling interest on it though. They employ many of Chromium's developers, and as such control the development of the project. And I mean, I guess I do have to backtrack...
They definitely have a controlling interest on it though. They employ many of Chromium's developers, and as such control the development of the project. And I mean, I guess I do have to backtrack on my earlier comment a little, I'd like to keep different browsers around too. More diversity and choice in how browsers work can only be good for the end users, and the web shouldn't be standardized around only a single web browser engine.
It's still an issue. The ability to fork it doesn't really change anything. Any fork will still suffer from every problem Chromium does, and all the weight of Google and its market share will...
It's still an issue. The ability to fork it doesn't really change anything. Any fork will still suffer from every problem Chromium does, and all the weight of Google and its market share will still be behind Chromium, not the fork. Any fork will still have all of Chromium's architecture, it'll still work and act like Chromium. That doesn't introduce any diversity, you need separate, independent engines for that.
I lost interest in any Microsoft product after the design illiteracy and pure greed they showed with Windows 10. But I'm interested to see how this new browser will turn out.
I lost interest in any Microsoft product after the design illiteracy and pure greed they showed with Windows 10.
But I'm interested to see how this new browser will turn out.
While design is a matter of taste, why do you say Windows 10 was greedy of them? MS let people with 7 or newer upgrade for free for like 2 years. They also changed it from being tied to your...
While design is a matter of taste, why do you say Windows 10 was greedy of them? MS let people with 7 or newer upgrade for free for like 2 years. They also changed it from being tied to your motherboard to tied to your MS account. If anything, all their other products are showing greed with a ton of subscription services, but Windows doesn't seem to be going that way.
People who are paying for Windows have to deal with ads and bloatware usually reserved for inclusion by system integrators. Not in my experience, since a motherboard swap forced me to install...
People who are paying for Windows have to deal with ads and bloatware usually reserved for inclusion by system integrators.
They also changed it from being tied to your motherboard to tied to your MS account.
Not in my experience, since a motherboard swap forced me to install AutoKMS to fix my Windows activation.
Another problem I have with Windows 10 is the sheer lack of control. I disable Cortana & other useless services, and tediously uninstall any other bloatware, working hard to optimise my pc. Boom,...
Another problem I have with Windows 10 is the sheer lack of control.
I disable Cortana & other useless services, and tediously uninstall any other bloatware, working hard to optimise my pc. Boom, the bloatware is back after an update.
They push ad content into my start menu
Random miscellaneous resource-heavy processes(like windows defender scans) schedule themselves to whenever they want, and I can't seem to disable or reschedule them while they're running.
This is just a teeny bit of what irks me in windows, but stuff like this is happening way too much. Microsoft is focusing more on profits and completely disregarding the user's concerns.
Having worked in webdev, I can't find it in me to shed a tear for Microsoft's browsers going the way of the dodo. Not a big fan of the decision to use Chromium as a base for the replacement, though.
Having worked in webdev, I can't find it in me to shed a tear for Microsoft's browsers going the way of the dodo. Not a big fan of the decision to use Chromium as a base for the replacement, though.
Hmm I'm a bit disappointed, been very happy with edge since I switched off chrome, (only troubling sites are funnily enough googles). I hope they stick with the same goals, lightweight, fast and...
Hmm I'm a bit disappointed, been very happy with edge since I switched off chrome, (only troubling sites are funnily enough googles). I hope they stick with the same goals, lightweight, fast and good integration with windows gestures.
Here's the official Microsoft blog post: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/12/06/microsoft-edge-making-the-web-better-through-more-open-source-collaboration/
Same. Nowadays, Firefox seems to be the last bastion holding out against Chrome. Good thing it's improved a lot lately, because Firefox can't afford to slip up, for all our sakes.
Is there something wrong with Chrome itself? Or is the concern about Google having a monopoly on the market?
Google being a monopoly as well as privacy concerns are the big ones.
The latter. Chrome itself is a decent browser, I don't have a problem with it, I have a problem with Google being the sole provider of the internet's browser, just like MS and IE 15 years ago.
Since chromium is open source and can just be forked, is this really an issue though?
While I would agree that having more competing projects is a good thing, it does not seem to me like this is much of an issue. Google does not fully control chromium, so it is different from ie controlling the market with a proprietary and closed product.
They definitely have a controlling interest on it though. They employ many of Chromium's developers, and as such control the development of the project. And I mean, I guess I do have to backtrack on my earlier comment a little, I'd like to keep different browsers around too. More diversity and choice in how browsers work can only be good for the end users, and the web shouldn't be standardized around only a single web browser engine.
It's still an issue. The ability to fork it doesn't really change anything. Any fork will still suffer from every problem Chromium does, and all the weight of Google and its market share will still be behind Chromium, not the fork. Any fork will still have all of Chromium's architecture, it'll still work and act like Chromium. That doesn't introduce any diversity, you need separate, independent engines for that.
Chrome hogs system memory far more than Firefox, that's my main reason for not using it
I lost interest in any Microsoft product after the design illiteracy and pure greed they showed with Windows 10.
But I'm interested to see how this new browser will turn out.
While design is a matter of taste, why do you say Windows 10 was greedy of them? MS let people with 7 or newer upgrade for free for like 2 years. They also changed it from being tied to your motherboard to tied to your MS account. If anything, all their other products are showing greed with a ton of subscription services, but Windows doesn't seem to be going that way.
People who are paying for Windows have to deal with ads and bloatware usually reserved for inclusion by system integrators.
Not in my experience, since a motherboard swap forced me to install AutoKMS to fix my Windows activation.
Another problem I have with Windows 10 is the sheer lack of control.
I disable Cortana & other useless services, and tediously uninstall any other bloatware, working hard to optimise my pc. Boom, the bloatware is back after an update.
They push ad content into my start menu
Random miscellaneous resource-heavy processes(like windows defender scans) schedule themselves to whenever they want, and I can't seem to disable or reschedule them while they're running.
This is just a teeny bit of what irks me in windows, but stuff like this is happening way too much. Microsoft is focusing more on profits and completely disregarding the user's concerns.
I HAVE ADS IN MY START MENU
Having worked in webdev, I can't find it in me to shed a tear for Microsoft's browsers going the way of the dodo. Not a big fan of the decision to use Chromium as a base for the replacement, though.
Hmm I'm a bit disappointed, been very happy with edge since I switched off chrome, (only troubling sites are funnily enough googles). I hope they stick with the same goals, lightweight, fast and good integration with windows gestures.
Here's the official Microsoft blog post: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/12/06/microsoft-edge-making-the-web-better-through-more-open-source-collaboration/
Ah so it's official. Thanks for the link.
Mozilla's made a blog post about this as well: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2018/12/06/goodbye-edge/