Reddit admins only care about engagement, because engaged users are users who see ads. Users who see ads are users who generate profits. If Reddit's management had either backbbones or principles,...
It absolutely baffles me why the admins insist on giving a platform for white supremacists to radicalize young men on their site.
Reddit admins only care about engagement, because engaged users are users who see ads. Users who see ads are users who generate profits. If Reddit's management had either backbbones or principles, they would have nuked r/the_donald back in 2015 and Ellen Pao would still be CEO.
The splinter came about with Ellen Pao. She and her husband were shady as shit. But of course that got glossed over because of "stuff" that made more ad revenue. All of reddit was lost when Conde...
The splinter came about with Ellen Pao. She and her husband were shady as shit. But of course that got glossed over because of "stuff" that made more ad revenue.
All of reddit was lost when Conde Naste bought it a decade ago. No one has been in charge since. The few people that took ownership like Victoria seem to be booted as soon as they become prominent.
Victoria is great, but this is a really inaccurate thing to say. Her job was to help manage (primarily celebrity) AMAs, and she didn't do much outside of that. She certainly wasn't "taking...
All of reddit was lost when Conde Naste bought it a decade ago. No one has been in charge since. The few people that took ownership like Victoria seem to be booted as soon as they become prominent.
Victoria is great, but this is a really inaccurate thing to say. Her job was to help manage (primarily celebrity) AMAs, and she didn't do much outside of that. She certainly wasn't "taking ownership" of the entire site, she didn't even ever have authority over anyone as far as I can remember.
You are correct, and I wasn't being specific enough. At the time Victoria was the only person that was addressable to the reddit community as a whole. She didn't ask for it, it just happened since...
You are correct, and I wasn't being specific enough. At the time Victoria was the only person that was addressable to the reddit community as a whole. She didn't ask for it, it just happened since no one takes responsibility for reddit as a whole.
Sure I've heard the interviews on NPR and the like, but no one actually claims responsibility for what is going on in their own website. It's a smart move, since who would want to lead when it's gone under the radar for so long and has become so huge.
The secret I believe is no one talks about reddit to this day. Even though we all read it.
I don't really want to continue arguing about it, but I honestly find that perception really strange. I worked at reddit the entire time she did, and I can hardly ever remember her addressing (or...
I don't really want to continue arguing about it, but I honestly find that perception really strange. I worked at reddit the entire time she did, and I can hardly ever remember her addressing (or being addressable by) the community at all outside of the AMAs she was involved in. She was never the one announcing anything about the site, responding to questions/issues, etc. She never would have taken responsibility for anything on the site, because like I said, that wasn't a part of her job at all. She only ever made two official posts, and they were both the "here's some neat stuff that happened on the site" type (#1 / #2).
I feel like her firing was such a site-wide event that people have "posthumously" turned her into a more significant, martyr-like figure. AMA quality certainly dropped massively after she was gone, but other than that almost nothing about the site's operations/policies/direction/etc. was affected (because she was never involved with any of that).
I think she was well known to a lot of the mods on the site. If you ran any kind of regular AMA stuff you'd end up interacting with her eventually, and she was good people so everyone liked her....
I think she was well known to a lot of the mods on the site. If you ran any kind of regular AMA stuff you'd end up interacting with her eventually, and she was good people so everyone liked her.
It was the mods who flipped out when she was fired, not the users. Her firing caused the 'blackout' plans some of the default mods had been discussing for weeks to boil over. When the AMA team closed up the sub (because they couldn't function at all without her) it just snowballed from there to a sitewide revolt in a couple of hours on its own. The users just picked up on it afterwards and like you said, she became a convenient vehicle for them to dump on the admins.
I always thought the reason she was fired was that she pushed back against reddit corporate when they started seeing AMAs as a potential revenue stream and began trying to meddle in the process that everyone had been using for years. I remember reddit pushing video AMAs around that time.
Totally agree. I think everyone was as surprised as she was. More than that though, I honestly believe it was the canary in the coal mine. She was just doing her job, and we were just posting and...
Totally agree. I think everyone was as surprised as she was. More than that though, I honestly believe it was the canary in the coal mine. She was just doing her job, and we were just posting and then everything changed.
Honest question. Why did you leave reddit? And how was it working for them? Seems like an ok job, but my god is San Fran expensive for 7 square miles hilly real estate.
Honest question. Why did you leave reddit? And how was it working for them? Seems like an ok job, but my god is San Fran expensive for 7 square miles hilly real estate.
The short version is that I no longer believed in the direction the site was going, and felt like almost every principle that originally drew me to the site (and company) was gradually being...
The short version is that I no longer believed in the direction the site was going, and felt like almost every principle that originally drew me to the site (and company) was gradually being eliminated in favor of chasing growth/money. The company now doesn't even slightly resemble the one that I started working at—among other things, the number of employees is over 20x higher (from about 20 when I started to over 440 now), and they've taken on $250M in venture capital debt.
The job itself was pretty good though, really. My unhappiness was almost entirely because I cared a lot about the site/users/communities and didn't want to keep being a part of doing things that I felt were against users' interests. I even worked remotely from Canada, so I didn't have to deal with the insane SF prices as part of it.
This was what we were greeted with in 2013, when Reddit decided to have a spokesman. https://www.vanityfair.com/style/scandal/2013/03/buddy-fletcher-ellen-pao And the ad click bullshit was of...
This was what we were greeted with in 2013, when Reddit decided to have a spokesman.
And the ad click bullshit was of course, not how the hell did you hire a crazy, but let's defend crazy because sjw and woman. Anyone paying attention could care less. We just wanted transparency and honesty for a site that we spent too much time on and cared a lot about.
Reddit has abused it's users every chance it has had. But until now, they were the only game in town. The funny part is we would all still be on DIGG if reddit didn't come in and save the day. But to be honest I still miiss Kevin Rose and his crazy. I still fondly remember Leo Laporte dressing him down on Tech TV. Man that guy was a cunt, and now a cunt with a really long podcast.
The husband is what got me going wtf? And Ellen interviews were always hilarious. I get it. She would have been super awesome as a CEO. Asian San Fransisco lady, that fought the man for her...
The husband is what got me going wtf? And Ellen interviews were always hilarious. I get it. She would have been super awesome as a CEO. Asian San Fransisco lady, that fought the man for her respect on the streets of nerd culture. I so wanted that to be true. So wanted that to be true.
I grew up in the Bay, and it would be nothing short of amazing to see her kick some reddit ass. That is what we all wanted. Instead it turned into a sleazeball festival of mud slinging.
Reddit is a weird one these days. They have done everything they can to alienate users with a java-centric redesign, attempting to boost fluff to be the front page if anyone from facebook happens...
Reddit is a weird one these days. They have done everything they can to alienate users with a java-centric redesign, attempting to boost fluff to be the front page if anyone from facebook happens to visit, and being the last bastion for white supremacists and russian talking points in the guise of T_D.
Tildes is a breath of fresh air.
Voat was for about a week, then it got even weirder fast. Which was a bummer, since they had night mode built in. But I guess the nazi's love some good night mode and being fucking horrible people.
Tildes has several color themes including night mode. ;) Eventually the site will probably support user-created ones. They are in your account settings page: https://tildes.net/settings
Exemplary
Tildes has several color themes including night mode. ;) Eventually the site will probably support user-created ones. They are in your account settings page: https://tildes.net/settings
Hell ya. Thanks, did not notice. This is oddly the one site that is pleasant in default mode. Which I was rather surprised by. I remember the day Digg folded and we had all been tinkering with...
Hell ya. Thanks, did not notice. This is oddly the one site that is pleasant in default mode. Which I was rather surprised by. I remember the day Digg folded and we had all been tinkering with reddit, but my god was it awful to look at. Then RES saved the day. So glad to see we don't need RES on this site.
Solarized Dark represent! I downloaded "Dark Reader" for Chrome and I use it for everything, it's such a relief for my eyes. Edit: for those looking into the extension, click the icon and dont use...
Solarized Dark represent! I downloaded "Dark Reader" for Chrome and I use it for everything, it's such a relief for my eyes.
Edit: for those looking into the extension, click the icon and dont use the on/off feature, use the button with the site's name to the left of those buttons so that it's only on for that site -- otherwise the extension might conflict with pre-existing coloration on other sites.
Any time my dude, glad you found it handy :) While I'm at it, I also suggest checking out Imagus (Like Hoverzoom minus the "selling your history thing"), uMatrix (from the guy who does uBlock) for...
Any time my dude, glad you found it handy :) While I'm at it, I also suggest checking out Imagus (Like Hoverzoom minus the "selling your history thing"), uMatrix (from the guy who does uBlock) for fine grained control over what loads/what gets blocked on a page, and OneTab for advanced tab management if you're a hoarder like I am.
Dracula or die, baby! Such an amazing theme, and I'm so glad it's back to working in Firefox. It was killing me to visit here the few weeks it was MIA.
Dracula or die, baby! Such an amazing theme, and I'm so glad it's back to working in Firefox. It was killing me to visit here the few weeks it was MIA.
Ditto... Bauke's Dracula theme is the best! When Stylus updated and stopped working on Tildes I honestly panicked a bit. Thank God they fixed the issue and it's back working again though, since I...
Ditto... Bauke's Dracula theme is the best! When Stylus updated and stopped working on Tildes I honestly panicked a bit. Thank God they fixed the issue and it's back working again though, since I don't think I could live without Dracula at this point.
I was so stoked to hear that Tildes was to be invite only precisely because of what happened on Voat. During a less... enlightened, we'll say, period in my life I moderated SubRedditCancer. Every...
I was so stoked to hear that Tildes was to be invite only precisely because of what happened on Voat.
During a less... enlightened, we'll say, period in my life I moderated SubRedditCancer. Every time there was a major sub banning, the regressive minds that made up the sub's user-base would whinge about "Free Speech" and migrate to Voat. So now it's like, the defacto Anti-Raddle.
I wonder if that was intentional. I remember Voat was started during a time on reddit when there was lots of meta-drama and discontent with the admins. Don't recall to what extent that was explicitly the Alt-Right Youth Brigade or users in general though.
I am going to be honest to. Subredditcancer was awesome for the first couple months. Like all subs that question reddit, it got weird fast. Got to give it up for /r/themueller though. They seem to...
I am going to be honest to. Subredditcancer was awesome for the first couple months. Like all subs that question reddit, it got weird fast. Got to give it up for /r/themueller though. They seem to be on the same message they started with.
Yeah SRC like right after it branched off of now-defunct meta-reddit cancer was an interesting project. The problem was the (((Freeze Peach))). When you get banned for using a slur and you feel...
Yeah SRC like right after it branched off of now-defunct meta-reddit cancer was an interesting project. The problem was the (((Freeze Peach))). When you get banned for using a slur and you feel entitled to slurs, you feel you have something to gripe about. That killed the sub because of the skewed ratios of instances of real mod abuse vs solid bans for being shitty. Which is ironic because the posting is all so fucking cancerous now because of it.
Voat came up as the old reddit, then it turned into nazi's in about 2 weeks. The poor guy that started it was all about freedom of expression, then two weeks later he got a bill for the bandwidth...
Voat came up as the old reddit, then it turned into nazi's in about 2 weeks. The poor guy that started it was all about freedom of expression, then two weeks later he got a bill for the bandwidth the site was costing, and said who cares about moderation, nazi's are giving me gold, again.
Not to mention jailbait... There was so much of that on there.
What happened to Voat is the same thing that happens to every community that pushes "free speech" above all else. They inevitably become filled with edgy children throwing around slurs "for theblulz" at best, and dens of straight up white nationalist recruitment at worst.
Not to mention jailbait... There was so much of that on there.
Not to be pedantic, but I'm gonna be pedantic - Voat was good for a couple of months before it went to crap during the drama with r/fatpeoplehate and whatnot. It felt a lot like Tildes does now,...
Not to be pedantic, but I'm gonna be pedantic - Voat was good for a couple of months before it went to crap during the drama with r/fatpeoplehate and whatnot. It felt a lot like Tildes does now, but now it's entirely unrecognizable of course.
Almost every product I can think of loses it's original vision when it becomes popular. Why appeal to a bunch of internet nerds when you could appeal to almost everyone, even if that requires...
Almost every product I can think of loses it's original vision when it becomes popular. Why appeal to a bunch of internet nerds when you could appeal to almost everyone, even if that requires alienating your original users.
It's not so baffling when you consider the priorities of reddit as an organization. Reddit inc. is a business. They make money from the traffic on their site. Angry people click and that's good...
It absolutely baffles me why the admins insist on giving a platform for white supremacists to radicalize young men on their site.
It's not so baffling when you consider the priorities of reddit as an organization.
Reddit inc. is a business. They make money from the traffic on their site. Angry people click and that's good for business. Their priority will always be to make money - being a safe, decent place is only allowable as long as profits are optimized.
If that means giving a platform to Nazis, or Leninists, or watching people die, or whatever the fuck else then that's fine for them. All they care about is money.
Either that, which is of course pretty damn sad, or they've been directly ordered to not ban it by the authorities, which is of course a lot better... It's probably not the latter, but I could...
Either that, which is of course pretty damn sad, or they've been directly ordered to not ban it by the authorities, which is of course a lot better...
It's probably not the latter, but I could definitely see why it would happen - a three letter agency could easily be investigating individuals that post there, especially because the Charlottesville terrorist would frequent it, I believe reading. So they could be keeping an eye on other potential suspects through there.
A third option is they fear the consequences of banning it. Remember the shitstorm that happened when they banned /r/fatpeoplehate? Reddit was basically unusable for about a week, and I can't even...
A third option is they fear the consequences of banning it. Remember the shitstorm that happened when they banned /r/fatpeoplehate? Reddit was basically unusable for about a week, and I can't even imagine the hell the management must have gone through. /r/the_Donald is a much larger subreddit, with a much more fanatical userbase. I wouldn't be surprised if some Reddit employees actually ended up dead.
I think that's why the original plan was to just ignore it and let it fizzle out after Trumps inevitable 2016 defeat. A few months later the mods would likely try to scam the users again, and the subreddit would be torn apart by infighting. And I think that's still the plan, ignore it and let it fizzle out after Trumps inevitable 2020 defeat.
Reddit admins only care about engagement, because engaged users are users who see ads. Users who see ads are users who generate profits. If Reddit's management had either backbbones or principles, they would have nuked r/the_donald back in 2015 and Ellen Pao would still be CEO.
The splinter came about with Ellen Pao. She and her husband were shady as shit. But of course that got glossed over because of "stuff" that made more ad revenue.
All of reddit was lost when Conde Naste bought it a decade ago. No one has been in charge since. The few people that took ownership like Victoria seem to be booted as soon as they become prominent.
Victoria is great, but this is a really inaccurate thing to say. Her job was to help manage (primarily celebrity) AMAs, and she didn't do much outside of that. She certainly wasn't "taking ownership" of the entire site, she didn't even ever have authority over anyone as far as I can remember.
You are correct, and I wasn't being specific enough. At the time Victoria was the only person that was addressable to the reddit community as a whole. She didn't ask for it, it just happened since no one takes responsibility for reddit as a whole.
Sure I've heard the interviews on NPR and the like, but no one actually claims responsibility for what is going on in their own website. It's a smart move, since who would want to lead when it's gone under the radar for so long and has become so huge.
The secret I believe is no one talks about reddit to this day. Even though we all read it.
I don't really want to continue arguing about it, but I honestly find that perception really strange. I worked at reddit the entire time she did, and I can hardly ever remember her addressing (or being addressable by) the community at all outside of the AMAs she was involved in. She was never the one announcing anything about the site, responding to questions/issues, etc. She never would have taken responsibility for anything on the site, because like I said, that wasn't a part of her job at all. She only ever made two official posts, and they were both the "here's some neat stuff that happened on the site" type (#1 / #2).
I feel like her firing was such a site-wide event that people have "posthumously" turned her into a more significant, martyr-like figure. AMA quality certainly dropped massively after she was gone, but other than that almost nothing about the site's operations/policies/direction/etc. was affected (because she was never involved with any of that).
I think she was well known to a lot of the mods on the site. If you ran any kind of regular AMA stuff you'd end up interacting with her eventually, and she was good people so everyone liked her.
It was the mods who flipped out when she was fired, not the users. Her firing caused the 'blackout' plans some of the default mods had been discussing for weeks to boil over. When the AMA team closed up the sub (because they couldn't function at all without her) it just snowballed from there to a sitewide revolt in a couple of hours on its own. The users just picked up on it afterwards and like you said, she became a convenient vehicle for them to dump on the admins.
I always thought the reason she was fired was that she pushed back against reddit corporate when they started seeing AMAs as a potential revenue stream and began trying to meddle in the process that everyone had been using for years. I remember reddit pushing video AMAs around that time.
Totally agree. I think everyone was as surprised as she was. More than that though, I honestly believe it was the canary in the coal mine. She was just doing her job, and we were just posting and then everything changed.
That is what I meant about Victoria.
Honest question. Why did you leave reddit? And how was it working for them? Seems like an ok job, but my god is San Fran expensive for 7 square miles hilly real estate.
The short version is that I no longer believed in the direction the site was going, and felt like almost every principle that originally drew me to the site (and company) was gradually being eliminated in favor of chasing growth/money. The company now doesn't even slightly resemble the one that I started working at—among other things, the number of employees is over 20x higher (from about 20 when I started to over 440 now), and they've taken on $250M in venture capital debt.
The job itself was pretty good though, really. My unhappiness was almost entirely because I cared a lot about the site/users/communities and didn't want to keep being a part of doing things that I felt were against users' interests. I even worked remotely from Canada, so I didn't have to deal with the insane SF prices as part of it.
440 people and a quarter billion dollars to do what? Moderate? Sell ads? Does not seem like it should take the budget of a large city to run reddit.
This was what we were greeted with in 2013, when Reddit decided to have a spokesman.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/scandal/2013/03/buddy-fletcher-ellen-pao
And the ad click bullshit was of course, not how the hell did you hire a crazy, but let's defend crazy because sjw and woman. Anyone paying attention could care less. We just wanted transparency and honesty for a site that we spent too much time on and cared a lot about.
Reddit has abused it's users every chance it has had. But until now, they were the only game in town. The funny part is we would all still be on DIGG if reddit didn't come in and save the day. But to be honest I still miiss Kevin Rose and his crazy. I still fondly remember Leo Laporte dressing him down on Tech TV. Man that guy was a cunt, and now a cunt with a really long podcast.
The husband is what got me going wtf? And Ellen interviews were always hilarious. I get it. She would have been super awesome as a CEO. Asian San Fransisco lady, that fought the man for her respect on the streets of nerd culture. I so wanted that to be true. So wanted that to be true.
I grew up in the Bay, and it would be nothing short of amazing to see her kick some reddit ass. That is what we all wanted. Instead it turned into a sleazeball festival of mud slinging.
Same with twitter and other social media. Rage drives engagement.
Reddit is a weird one these days. They have done everything they can to alienate users with a java-centric redesign, attempting to boost fluff to be the front page if anyone from facebook happens to visit, and being the last bastion for white supremacists and russian talking points in the guise of T_D.
Tildes is a breath of fresh air.
Voat was for about a week, then it got even weirder fast. Which was a bummer, since they had night mode built in. But I guess the nazi's love some good night mode and being fucking horrible people.
Tildes has several color themes including night mode. ;) Eventually the site will probably support user-created ones. They are in your account settings page: https://tildes.net/settings
Hell ya. Thanks, did not notice. This is oddly the one site that is pleasant in default mode. Which I was rather surprised by. I remember the day Digg folded and we had all been tinkering with reddit, but my god was it awful to look at. Then RES saved the day. So glad to see we don't need RES on this site.
Solarized Dark for life. Been using it forever. Just dark enough to go easy on the eyes.
Solarized Dark represent! I downloaded "Dark Reader" for Chrome and I use it for everything, it's such a relief for my eyes.
Edit: for those looking into the extension, click the icon and dont use the on/off feature, use the button with the site's name to the left of those buttons so that it's only on for that site -- otherwise the extension might conflict with pre-existing coloration on other sites.
This is a freakin game changer right here. Thanks so much!
Any time my dude, glad you found it handy :) While I'm at it, I also suggest checking out Imagus (Like Hoverzoom minus the "selling your history thing"), uMatrix (from the guy who does uBlock) for fine grained control over what loads/what gets blocked on a page, and OneTab for advanced tab management if you're a hoarder like I am.
Dracula or die, baby! Such an amazing theme, and I'm so glad it's back to working in Firefox. It was killing me to visit here the few weeks it was MIA.
Ditto... Bauke's Dracula theme is the best! When Stylus updated and stopped working on Tildes I honestly panicked a bit. Thank God they fixed the issue and it's back working again though, since I don't think I could live without Dracula at this point.
I was so stoked to hear that Tildes was to be invite only precisely because of what happened on Voat.
During a less... enlightened, we'll say, period in my life I moderated SubRedditCancer. Every time there was a major sub banning, the regressive minds that made up the sub's user-base would whinge about "Free Speech" and migrate to Voat. So now it's like, the defacto Anti-Raddle.
I wonder if that was intentional. I remember Voat was started during a time on reddit when there was lots of meta-drama and discontent with the admins. Don't recall to what extent that was explicitly the Alt-Right Youth Brigade or users in general though.
I am going to be honest to. Subredditcancer was awesome for the first couple months. Like all subs that question reddit, it got weird fast. Got to give it up for /r/themueller though. They seem to be on the same message they started with.
Yeah SRC like right after it branched off of now-defunct meta-reddit cancer was an interesting project. The problem was the (((Freeze Peach))). When you get banned for using a slur and you feel entitled to slurs, you feel you have something to gripe about. That killed the sub because of the skewed ratios of instances of real mod abuse vs solid bans for being shitty. Which is ironic because the posting is all so fucking cancerous now because of it.
Voat came up as the old reddit, then it turned into nazi's in about 2 weeks. The poor guy that started it was all about freedom of expression, then two weeks later he got a bill for the bandwidth the site was costing, and said who cares about moderation, nazi's are giving me gold, again.
I'm being cheeky, but I suspect I am not far off.
Not to mention jailbait... There was so much of that on there.
Those people never miss a chance to post them some kiddy porn.
Not to be pedantic, but I'm gonna be pedantic - Voat was good for a couple of months before it went to crap during the drama with r/fatpeoplehate and whatnot. It felt a lot like Tildes does now, but now it's entirely unrecognizable of course.
Almost every product I can think of loses it's original vision when it becomes popular. Why appeal to a bunch of internet nerds when you could appeal to almost everyone, even if that requires alienating your original users.
As long as moderators remove the content after it's reported, what else do people expect to happen?
It's not so baffling when you consider the priorities of reddit as an organization.
Reddit inc. is a business. They make money from the traffic on their site. Angry people click and that's good for business. Their priority will always be to make money - being a safe, decent place is only allowable as long as profits are optimized.
If that means giving a platform to Nazis, or Leninists, or watching people die, or whatever the fuck else then that's fine for them. All they care about is money.
Either that, which is of course pretty damn sad, or they've been directly ordered to not ban it by the authorities, which is of course a lot better...
It's probably not the latter, but I could definitely see why it would happen - a three letter agency could easily be investigating individuals that post there, especially because the Charlottesville terrorist would frequent it, I believe reading. So they could be keeping an eye on other potential suspects through there.
A third option is they fear the consequences of banning it. Remember the shitstorm that happened when they banned /r/fatpeoplehate? Reddit was basically unusable for about a week, and I can't even imagine the hell the management must have gone through. /r/the_Donald is a much larger subreddit, with a much more fanatical userbase. I wouldn't be surprised if some Reddit employees actually ended up dead.
I think that's why the original plan was to just ignore it and let it fizzle out after Trumps inevitable 2016 defeat. A few months later the mods would likely try to scam the users again, and the subreddit would be torn apart by infighting. And I think that's still the plan, ignore it and let it fizzle out after Trumps inevitable 2020 defeat.