32 votes

Reddit Bans Gory Subreddits After New Zealand Shooting

39 comments

  1. [13]
    EvilPixel Link
    I've been trying to use Reddit less and less now. I know Reddit was always circlejerk-y but it seems as if it has gone much worse recently with all of the low quality karma grabs, reposts, power...

    I've been trying to use Reddit less and less now. I know Reddit was always circlejerk-y but it seems as if it has gone much worse recently with all of the low quality karma grabs, reposts, power hungry mods and that any discussion has to conform to the circlejerk otherwise it will be downvoted to the bottom. Maybe I only just started to notice it more now.

    The only reason I still go there is for the small niche subs, but I wish that there was an alternative so I could ditch Reddit altogether.

    19 votes
    1. [11]
      squareshells Link Parent
      And not to mention the astroturfing.

      And not to mention the astroturfing.

      17 votes
      1. [7]
        ali (edited ) Link Parent
        I'm not sure if it qualifies, but this is something that's so blatantly used in a lot of the right wing rhetoric I see on reddit. Yesterday I went on t_d (I like to see how they spin messed up...

        I'm not sure if it qualifies, but this is something that's so blatantly used in a lot of the right wing rhetoric I see on reddit. Yesterday I went on t_d (I like to see how they spin messed up stories to fit their agenda) and one of the guys claimed something like : 'The left is trying to push this on the right, they don't think critically anymore. I don't like t_d but (...) '

        I went on his profile and saw that on his 'active in these communities' , unsurprisingly, the_donald has been listed.
        I think it's important to teach people who a message comes from to see, how it can and tries to manipulate you.

        Edited out a half sentence about markdown

        9 votes
        1. StellarTabi Link Parent
          I moderate a political sub, if there is ever a comment I suspect is written in bad faith, there's an 80% chance they have 100+ recent comments in TD, so much that it's easier to just ban anyone...

          I moderate a political sub, if there is ever a comment I suspect is written in bad faith, there's an 80% chance they have 100+ recent comments in TD, so much that it's easier to just ban anyone who has a big TD history. They often brigade and always have Breitbart style talking points.

          14 votes
        2. [4]
          Cosmos Link Parent
          Kind of off topic, but is TD manipulating reddit's search results, or is it just astonishingly terrible on its own? Half the time when I search something, TD comes up right at the top. Earlier...

          Kind of off topic, but is TD manipulating reddit's search results, or is it just astonishingly terrible on its own? Half the time when I search something, TD comes up right at the top. Earlier today I did a search for "flood" to find discussions about what's going on in Nebraska (can't believe this isn't getting more coverage. The pictures look horrible). And lo and behold, TD is on the list of recommended subs.

          How is that possible? It's insane.

          5 votes
          1. [3]
            Deimos (edited ) Link Parent
            T_D's activity level is very high. If you look at the subreddit list on the old site, it's ranked by "popular". The exact way that works isn't public, but it's generally believed that it's...

            T_D's activity level is very high. If you look at the subreddit list on the old site, it's ranked by "popular". The exact way that works isn't public, but it's generally believed that it's correlated with the subreddit's activity level. T_D is #3 on that list, only below /r/AskReddit and /r/politics. It's higher than about 10 of the largest and most recognizable subreddits, ones that have 20 million subscribers, and it has fewer than 1 million.

            So if they're using any sort of similar metrics to decide which posts/subreddits should rank highly in search results, it will be near the top. T_D represents a ton of traffic.

            7 votes
            1. [2]
              Cosmos Link Parent
              That's so crazy. The moral bankruptcy at that site never ceases to astonish me. Just because a sub has tons of traffic, doesn't mean it should be at the top of every search result. There needs to...

              That's so crazy. The moral bankruptcy at that site never ceases to astonish me.

              Just because a sub has tons of traffic, doesn't mean it should be at the top of every search result. There needs to be some other criteria to determine relevance. A 12 year old could figure that out.

              2 votes
              1. alyaza (edited ) Link Parent
                that's capitalism for you. it makes them and their shareholders money, so what incentive is there to stop (and for that matter, what choice do they really have in it at the end of the day, given...

                That's so crazy. The moral bankruptcy at that site never ceases to astonish me.

                that's capitalism for you. it makes them and their shareholders money, so what incentive is there to stop (and for that matter, what choice do they really have in it at the end of the day, given that reddit isn't actually that fiscally well off)?

                2 votes
        3. squareshells Link Parent
          The modern Facist are gaslighting the whole world.

          The modern Facist are gaslighting the whole world.

          4 votes
      2. [3]
        guts Link Parent
        That's my biggest turn off of Reddit, the problem is that shills are getting smarter and it is more difficult to distinguish a real conversation and a shill one. I have been unsubscribing of many...

        That's my biggest turn off of Reddit, the problem is that shills are getting smarter and it is more difficult to distinguish a real conversation and a shill one. I have been unsubscribing of many big and medium subs because of this.

        1 vote
        1. [2]
          squareshells Link Parent
          It gives me a bad taste in my mouth. Reddit isn't for me anymore. And yes, if it does still have value, it's in the small subs. It's such a bummer though because I really miss how reddit used to...

          It gives me a bad taste in my mouth. Reddit isn't for me anymore. And yes, if it does still have value, it's in the small subs. It's such a bummer though because I really miss how reddit used to be. I've been on it for 8 years and it used to be so cool.

          3 votes
          1. guts Link Parent
            Agreed, i migrated from Digg to Reddit after the last Digg exodus. Tildes feels like the old Reddit and it is like fresh air after the toxic environment of Reddit, not sure what will @Deimos do to...

            Agreed, i migrated from Digg to Reddit after the last Digg exodus. Tildes feels like the old Reddit and it is like fresh air after the toxic environment of Reddit, not sure what will @Deimos do to prevent Tildes changing as Reddit did.

            3 votes
    2. ghostsplosion Link Parent
      My god, this is one of the worst things about reddit.

      power hungry mods

      My god, this is one of the worst things about reddit.

      1 vote
  2. [12]
    IAmIndeedYou Link
    I’m seriously pissed about it. They’ve been looking for a reason to ban WPD ever since they sold out ~3 years ago. The mods there have been nothing but helpful, they’ve removed any links they were...

    I’m seriously pissed about it. They’ve been looking for a reason to ban WPD ever since they sold out ~3 years ago. The mods there have been nothing but helpful, they’ve removed any links they were asked.

    WPDtalk is also banned for some reason. And r/gore had nothing to do with this.

    But hey, gotta please the advertisers!

    11 votes
    1. [10]
      Wes Link Parent
      I don't see how videos of people dying brings any value to the site. That just seems horrific. Why should Reddit host content like that?

      I don't see how videos of people dying brings any value to the site. That just seems horrific. Why should Reddit host content like that?

      12 votes
      1. [8]
        IAmIndeedYou Link Parent
        This comes up a lot. For me personally, WPD was a place that didn’t ‘glorify’ death or whatever. After my suicide attempt, WPD actually helped me. I don’t know how to explain it, sorry. WPD was a...

        This comes up a lot. For me personally, WPD was a place that didn’t ‘glorify’ death or whatever. After my suicide attempt, WPD actually helped me. I don’t know how to explain it, sorry.

        WPD was a place that was moderated. Banning the community doesn’t do anything to remove the fascination of death. There’s several gore-sites that post them, but for me it’s horrible. So much disrespect and blantant racism. If a black person dies, the comments are about how it’s good (one less nigga!) and how they deserved it. I think it’s gross.

        I can understand if people don’t want to see stuff like that. I find peace in it, weirdly enough. The sub was already quarantined, noone would stumble across it.

        When I joined Reddit (6 years ago) the site was a place to post everything. They sold themselves out, and the place isn’t the same. It’s all about pleasing the advertisers.

        Sorry if this is rambly. English isn’t my first language. Tl;dr: No one should be allowed to decide what we watch.

        20 votes
        1. [3]
          FZeroRacer Link Parent
          What's going on is that communities are starting to realize that hosting literally all content is generally a bad idea, because a site's reputation is known by its worst members. Reddit when it...

          What's going on is that communities are starting to realize that hosting literally all content is generally a bad idea, because a site's reputation is known by its worst members. Reddit when it began wasn't a 'place to post everything' because in Reddit's early days it was a much smaller and more benign place. As it became larger, you started to see more nasty things pop up as a result of lax moderation and is part of the reason why Reddit has such a bad reputation.

          I honestly find it disturbing that in the modern era of the internet we expect the ability to post everything ever on any site we go to without any sort of repercussions or moderation. It used to be that if you posted shock videos, gore videos etc on any sort of regular forum the expectation was that you would be banned. Nowadays, you expect to get away with it because 'free speech' or something like that. That's part of the reason why I started browsing tildes, because having a site actually have a core set of principles that it enforces is somehow a rare thing these days.

          This isn't to say anything about Reddit's obvious timing of this or the fact that they tend to let the more ugly subreddits do their thing until they start catching PR heat for it. Also if you find the community of 'people that watch people die' outside of Reddit to be disturbing, maybe that's a good opportunity to use that to either make the community better, or realize you might be engaging with a very toxic community.

          9 votes
          1. IAmIndeedYou Link Parent
            The only reason Reddit is censoring is because of advertisers. It’s understandable if you agree with their decision, but remember that this is the exact thing Reddit was against a few years ago.

            The only reason Reddit is censoring is because of advertisers.

            It’s understandable if you agree with their decision, but remember that this is the exact thing Reddit was against a few years ago.

            3 votes
          2. Adys Link Parent
            ??? There's always been some places that are ok with it and where you do get away with it, and in most places you don't. I invite you to try…

            Nowadays, you expect to get away with it because 'free speech' or something like that.

            ???

            There's always been some places that are ok with it and where you do get away with it, and in most places you don't. I invite you to try…

        2. [4]
          Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
          Let's assume that's true, for the sake of discussion. Can someone decide where you can watch something or not watch something? Can I make a website, and tell you that you can not post death videos...

          No one should be allowed to decide what we watch.

          Let's assume that's true, for the sake of discussion.

          Can someone decide where you can watch something or not watch something? Can I make a website, and tell you that you can not post death videos on my website, and tell you that you can not watch death videos on my website? I'm not telling you that you can't ever watch death videos: you are still allowed to watch death videos. I'm only telling you that you can't do it on my website.

          Am I allowed to do that?

          3 votes
          1. [3]
            IAmIndeedYou (edited ) Link Parent
            Yes of course that’s possible. That’s what Reddit’s doing now. The reason many are pissed is because it used to market themselves as a free place to post whatever you want. That’s what Reddit were...

            Yes of course that’s possible. That’s what Reddit’s doing now. The reason many are pissed is because it used to market themselves as a free place to post whatever you want. That’s what Reddit were until they sold themselves out. The advertisers don’t wanna associate with death videos so now they’re the exact opposite of what they used to be. It’s the exact opposite of what they stood for. It’s censored based on popularity.

            5 votes
            1. [2]
              Wes Link Parent
              I've been on reddit for ten years. I don't recall them ever marketing themselves this way. In fact the only one to ever even entertain free speech was Yishan, for his brief stint as CEO. See his...

              The reason many are pissed is because it used to market themselves as a free place to post whatever you want.

              I've been on reddit for ten years. I don't recall them ever marketing themselves this way. In fact the only one to ever even entertain free speech was Yishan, for his brief stint as CEO.

              See his thoughts on the topic here: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/ct3n7hc/

              4 votes
              1. IAmIndeedYou (edited ) Link Parent
                Well I remember strictly joining Reddit for this reason. And that was even a circle-jerk a few years ago.

                Well I remember strictly joining Reddit for this reason. And that was even a circle-jerk a few years ago.

                1 vote
      2. timo Link Parent
        On the other hand, why shouldn't they?

        On the other hand, why shouldn't they?

        5 votes
    2. nacho Link Parent
      Reddit essentially redrew its lines on violent content yesterday as far as I can tell. If they made the change at an earlier point in time, they started enforcing it only yesterday.

      Reddit essentially redrew its lines on violent content yesterday as far as I can tell.

      If they made the change at an earlier point in time, they started enforcing it only yesterday.

      4 votes
  3. Cosmos Link
    Better headline. Reddit had no problem with people sharing gory content. It's only when everyone started noticing it that it became a problem.

    Reddit Bans Gory Subreddits After getting bad press in aftermath of NZ shooting.

    Better headline. Reddit had no problem with people sharing gory content. It's only when everyone started noticing it that it became a problem.

    7 votes
  4. [5]
    NeonHippy Link
    Welp, that's the end of Reddit for me. Not that I visited WPD very much after the live suicide video debacle when it was quarantined.

    Welp, that's the end of Reddit for me. Not that I visited WPD very much after the live suicide video debacle when it was quarantined.

    3 votes
    1. [4]
      Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
      You're leaving Reddit because you can't watch videos of people dying there? You even admit you didn't go to that subreddit very often. Why is this so important to you that you'll leave Reddit...

      You're leaving Reddit because you can't watch videos of people dying there? You even admit you didn't go to that subreddit very often. Why is this so important to you that you'll leave Reddit because of it?

      (And don't expect to see videos of people dying on Tildes.)

      9 votes
      1. [3]
        hungariantoast (edited ) Link Parent
        Probably because of how and why Reddit bans these communities. Any subreddit can get the axe, for any reason, at any time, on dubious grounds. It gets annoying after awhile, even if the...

        Probably because of how and why Reddit bans these communities. Any subreddit can get the axe, for any reason, at any time, on dubious grounds.

        It gets annoying after awhile, even if the communities that are getting banned aren't communities you interact with.

        EDIT:

        ;)

        14 votes
        1. [2]
          Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
          I wasn't asking you! :P But, seeing as you've weighed in... I agree that Reddit is banning subreddits on dubious grounds. Bad press is not a suitable reason for banning anything. They should be...

          I wasn't asking you! :P

          But, seeing as you've weighed in...

          I agree that Reddit is banning subreddits on dubious grounds. Bad press is not a suitable reason for banning anything. They should be banning these subreddits because they break Reddit's rules, and have been doing so for years. It's damned inconsistent to allow rule-breaking behaviour to carry on for years, and then suddenly turn around and ban it because it got a mention in the press. That is dubious, indeed. These things should be banned before they take root, not after they're full-grown forests.

          5 votes
          1. IAmIndeedYou Link Parent
            They haven’t been breaking rules for years, they changed the rules today. The reason many are pissed is because Reddit has become something Reddit used to hate - a censored website.

            They haven’t been breaking rules for years, they changed the rules today.

            The reason many are pissed is because Reddit has become something Reddit used to hate - a censored website.

            3 votes
  5. LegoMyGrego Link
    Still wondering why the Donald and other even more extreme view subs are still up if this is a moral issue. I think people would respect the decision more if these changes were done for seemingly...

    Still wondering why the Donald and other even more extreme view subs are still up if this is a moral issue. I think people would respect the decision more if these changes were done for seemingly the greater good, instead of for advertisers.

    1 vote
  6. guts Link
    They could ban porn after this, but i see it likely unprovable knowing the negative reaction will be received and people really moving to other alternatives (see Tumblr).

    They could ban porn after this, but i see it likely unprovable knowing the negative reaction will be received and people really moving to other alternatives (see Tumblr).

  7. [5]
    suspended Link
    Same here and your description of the general Reddit experience is spot on.

    The only reason I still go there is for the small niche subs...

    Same here and your description of the general Reddit experience is spot on.

    2 votes
    1. [4]
      Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
      You've replied to your own post, rather than to @EvilPixel's comment.

      You've replied to your own post, rather than to @EvilPixel's comment.

      2 votes
      1. [3]
        suspended Link Parent
        This is the second time that I've done this. Thanks for letting me know and I need to get my eyes checked.

        This is the second time that I've done this. Thanks for letting me know and I need to get my eyes checked.

        1. [2]
          Grand0rbiter Link Parent
          Maybe you are the first tildes bot and your AI is still in it's infancy.

          Maybe you are the first tildes bot and your AI is still in it's infancy.

          4 votes
          1. suspended Link Parent
            beep boop...i'm a bot...lol

            beep boop...i'm a bot...lol