Macs bought in China can no longer display the 🇹🇼 Taiwan Flag Emoji, no matter which region is set in System Preferences
Macs bought in China can no longer display the 🇹🇼 Taiwan Flag Emoji, no matter which region is set in System Prefs https://t.co/nTJqBiYCvB
Apologies for the Twitter thread link. I hate them just as much you probably do, but I thought this would be worth hearing from the discoverer of this directly than some rewritten article.
They're fine in this kind of case, info straight from the source with supporting images and further discourse.
i think this bit of the thread raises an interesting question (or perhaps an offshoot question if i'm reading this incorrectly), to which i don't have the answer: I'm not sure I can blame Apple for capitulating on the display of a flag emoji. We want companies like Apple + Google + Microsoft to exist, providing operating systems we use and (mostly) trust. If Apple were banned in China, would that be good for the rest of us, or the world?
is it better for us to have apple effectively capitulate on representing taiwan to market itself in china than take a stand on this? there's probably no simple answer to that question--maybe it's even a somewhat irrelevant question in the grand scheme of things. but it's something to certainly chew on, since it probably has future implications of some kind.
I struggle to see how users in the NA/SA/EU/AF/AS sans China are benefited by having users of Apple in China. Like what is it that Apple selling their goods in China does to change the qol for American users of their products?
Probably easier for the US government to backdoor than a Lenovo.
It doesn't change our qol. But it does change the qol of the chinese users as they now have an option to use a device that isn't spyware -- or, at least, one that's less spyware than the other options. (Yes you can root your android and install a custom rom, but that doesn't help you when law enforcement wants to install a tracking app on your phone and comes knocking on your door if you delete it.)
Right, but parent made the statement that Chinese consumers having an Apple product is better for the rest (non-Chinese) users.
Reminds me of the episode of The Office where Pam just assumed the position of Office Administrator. No one stood up to her about it and the one person that did didn't have the spine to stand up to her when pushed and so she just became the Office admin, a nonexistent position until that point. (China being Pam in this case)
The difference of course being this isn't a sitcom, and Taiwan is benefited by both not being officially recognized (because China doesn't blow them out of the water as long as everyone plays along), and they are benefited by not being China, because they have freedoms and economic success which isn't built on cheap labor and shell games.
My roommate through all of college, and one of my dearest friends, is a Taiwanese citizen. I have a special place in my heart for him and his nation's dilemma.
Could someone tldr what the whole china taiwan thing is about? I had a look on wikipedia but couldn't work out much.
To go along with the other answers and the info on the wiki page an analogy might help:
Imagine there was another civil war in the United States, but instead of states trying to separate, this one was about competing forms of government. Let's say it's the United States of America against the revolutionary People's States of America. The USA and the PSA both claim to be the "real America" and they spend years fighting a bloody civil war for control. Eventually the PSA forces are able to overwhelm the USA government forces and take the mainland, with the government of the USA and many USA refugees (along with a bunch of gold and museum pieces from the Smithsonian) fleeing to Hawaii which is too hard for the PSA to take.
At this point both sides are in a stalemate and both claim to be the legitimate American government. Schoolchildren in the USA learn they'll one day take back the mainland, and children in the PSA learn that Hawaii is rightfully theirs. The PSA controls the most people and territory, including the capital and the original 13 colonies, but the USA is the "original" republic and is still recognized by the rest of the world as the legitimate government. The USA still holds their seat at the UN including their seat on the UN security council, and nations around the world maintain relations/embassies with the USA and shun the PSA. When people talk about America they mean the USA and when they want to talk about the PSA they call it "Red America" or "mainland America."
As this stalemate persists though things begin to change. The PSA is a lot larger than the USA (which is really just Hawaii) and the rest of the world is eager to normalize relations and do business with them. It's an absolute non-starter for the PSA to recognize the USA as an independent nation so countries generally agree to a system where only one of the USA or PSA can be considered America. Most of the world recognizes the PSA as the legitimate government of America (including the PSA taking over America's seat at the UN from the USA) and they move their embassies there. Technically most countries don't recognize the USA at this point but everyone still has de facto relations with them. The USA and the PSA themselves come to a sort of understanding where they each claim to be the official government (and they each claim each other's territory) and a more permanent solution is left for future generations. Critically, they each agree that there is only one America.
Interestingly, in Hawaii, a bit of a cultural shift takes place over the decades. Though their government is still officially the United States of America, and they technically claim all of the mainland, people aren't necessarily thinking of themselves as Americans anymore. The new generation is growing up with more of a Hawaiian identity and they recognize that Hawaii has its own unique history separate from the mainland, including their own indigenous language and the fact that the PSA never controlled Hawaii at any point in history. Many people consider themselves as culturally Hawaiian or both Hawaiian and American, and fewer people see their national identity as being American.
In the rest of the world people are also forgetting that Hawaii is technically the "United States of America." The de facto country is routinely referred to as Hawaii (even in news reports), its citizens are referred to as Hawaiians, and even its flag (the old 'Stars and Stripes') is often called the "Hawaiian flag" instead of the "American flag." The PSA is sensitive about this, though, and they use their clout to force international organizations from the Olympics to Esports to never refer to Hawaii as "Hawaii" but instead to use some euphemism like "American Honolulu." They even keep computers in the mainland from being able to display the Hawaiian flag emoji (which is technically the USA flag emoji).
Now, in this situation, why doesn't Hawaii just say, "hey everyone, we're not the USA anymore, we're actually just the nation of Hawaii and we don't make any claim to the mainland"? Partly it's because of complex issues of identity and history, but mostly it's because the PSA has a bunch of missiles pointed at Hawaii and has promised to invade them if they make any move towards official independence. So, the whole world kind of just accepts the status quo and hopes that the issue will be settled peacefully in the future without triggering a massive war.
Obviously this analogy doesn't convey the complexities of the real life situation between Taiwan and China (i.e. between the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China) but maybe it offers a fresh way to look at it without preconceptions about what exactly China and Taiwan are. To sum up: the "Republic of China" formed in the early 20th century after the fall of the last emperor, there was a communist revolution which claimed to rule China as the "People's Republic of China", a civil war was fought between the ROC and the PRC, the ROC government fled to the island of Taiwan, both initially claimed to be the real China, eventually Taiwan formed its own national identity separate from being just the ROC, but if Taiwan declares themselves to be independent (i.e. to give up their claim to be China) then the PRC has promised to go to war over it.
Two important points not present in the analogy I made:
Also worth noting the Opium Wars with the British Empire and the following century of humiliation and unequal treaties. (Wiki links because I don't have any more than a passing understanding of any of this).
Definitely true, though I think it's interesting to compare this to other areas historically controlled by China (Qing empire map) such as Mongolia and parts of eastern Russia which aren't currently claimed by modern China as integral parts of China which must be reclaimed. Then there's the South China Sea and modern China's claims there which it backs with the same "integral part of historic China which must not be given up" argument.
Also, just because I love this opening line, the beginning of the classic 14th century novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms shows just how deep and important the idea of uniting a divided China is:
I'll try and break it down to the most basic components. Essentially, the idea of China now is two fold; there's the Republic of China which is the one known as Chinese Taipei, Taiwan etc... and then there's the People's Republic of China. The ROC was formed post Imperial China by Sun Yat Sen and following WW2 during the Chinese Civil War, the ROC political members fled to what is now the Island of Taiwan. Mao Ze Dong seized power and declared the mainland China to be the PRC. Since the PRC was far more powerful than the ROC all the major countries of the world decided to pretend that the PRC was the one true China while still dealing with the ROC on the side. From the perspective of the PRC, the ROC is nothing more than a rebellious province of the PRC hence why they try to deny it any attention on the world stage.
As a quick addition to the already great replies you've gotten, there is also the issue of language, and along with it, expression. Taiwan uses the traditional writing for characters that hold a certain history and just from my own personal Chinese school experience growing up in Canada, both governments encourage their textbooks to be used overseas. So we end up where some Chinese schools teach traditional, but almost all English schools (like a Canadian universities) teaches simplified. There are definitely some Chinese immigrants here who see Taiwan as how China should have modernized if the civil wars hadn't happened. So the link has meaning for the many Chinese diasporas around the world too.
A little while ago, people were cheering on how Apple cares deeply about user privacy, as well as pushes the envelope of modern banking and stuff.
And here, we have blatant neglect for the people of Taiwan – 23 million of them – just because Apple wants to sell in China. A billion potential users is a very attractive market to any business – but if you're ready to spit on basic human dignity, how much is your product really worth?
I'm no saint here, either: my Acer laptop and my iPhone (gifted, not bought) were put together in China, probably by overworked and underpaid slave-workers, probably on one of those factories. I don't like the fact that I've effectively supported such cruel, inhumane conditions, but I'm going to have to live with it, because I can't afford anything better at the moment.
Apple, on the other hand, is a trend-setter in the same manner all big tech companies are. They get to dictate how their business should be conducted. When they say that pretending that Taiwan doesn't exist simply because they want to sell in China is okay, it, horribly, becomes okay.
It's not. It's just a flag, right? No, it's not. Apple don't get to dictate, in any manner, how to handle this muddy and undignifying political situation. They don't get to say "We side with China" or "We side with Taiwan", because then they become political figures, and should be regarded – and judged – as such. They won't like it; frankly, they don't deserve it; but they'd decided to put their foot into this game. They knew what they were doing.
They oughtta have it.
Just another little passive nudge by China, further conditioning it's citizens' that Taiwan isn't even to be imagined as a separate country.
It's not just their own citizens they are hoping to condition, either: