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/r/ChangeMyView moderators announce that they are launching their own site at ChangeAView.com

62 comments

  1. [7]
    cfabbro
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    "Moving" sort of implies they are leaving reddit entirely, which isn't true according to them. /r/ChangeMyView will still remain open and they will continue to moderate it. In any case I wish them...

    "Moving" sort of implies they are leaving reddit entirely, which isn't true according to them. /r/ChangeMyView will still remain open and they will continue to moderate it.

    In any case I wish them luck on this new venture. They are one of the best moderated subreddits and despite all the contentious topics being discussed there on a daily basis they have managed to keep things remarkably civil, and the unpleasantness to a minimum... which is no small feat on reddit, especially these days.

    I am sort of disappointed they decided to incorporate as a for profit corporation though... IMO non-profit, similar to Tildes, would have been the ideal. Hopefully they at least don't make the mistake of taking on a bunch of VC. :/

    23 votes
    1. Deimos
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      Ah, I hadn't read the comments yet. The post itself definitely makes it sound like they want to move, at least. I've edited the title a bit, thanks.

      "Moving" sort of implies they are leaving reddit entirely, which isn't true according to them. /r/ChangeMyView will still remain open and they will continue to moderate it.

      Ah, I hadn't read the comments yet. The post itself definitely makes it sound like they want to move, at least. I've edited the title a bit, thanks.

      10 votes
    2. [4]
      hero0fwar
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      It'll be interesting to see if the admins demod the mods. I believe it technically breaks the tos

      It'll be interesting to see if the admins demod the mods. I believe it technically breaks the tos

      4 votes
      1. [3]
        cfabbro
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        https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement Is that what you were referring to? IANAL, but it does seem to be in violation of that rule, unless they actually did get written approval. It...

        https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement

        You may not enter into any agreement with a third party on behalf of Reddit, or any subreddits that you moderate, without our written approval;

        Is that what you were referring to? IANAL, but it does seem to be in violation of that rule, unless they actually did get written approval. It will be interesting to see if Reddit HQ decides to do anything in response... but given their aversion to bad press, I doubt they will.

        6 votes
        1. hero0fwar
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          They don't step in on much, it'll definitely be interesting

          They don't step in on much, it'll definitely be interesting

          6 votes
        2. hamstergeddon
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          Unless it garners negative media attention for reddit somehow, I doubt the admins will lift a finger.

          Unless it garners negative media attention for reddit somehow, I doubt the admins will lift a finger.

          4 votes
    3. alyaza
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      ideally, they will never grow large enough to do that since they're just a segment of a reddit community at the end of the day and their platform is kinda one-dimensional, but i suppose there are...

      I am sort of disappointed they decided to incorporate as a for profit corporation though... IMO non-profit, similar to Tildes, would have been the ideal. Hopefully they at least don't make the mistake of taking on a bunch of VC. :/

      ideally, they will never grow large enough to do that since they're just a segment of a reddit community at the end of the day and their platform is kinda one-dimensional, but i suppose there are plenty of VC bucks and investors flying around nowadays and those people aren't exactly scared to put their money behind anything that looks even remotely viable regardless of its size, so i guess we'll have to see. my guess is they'll either fail spectacularly or eat a shovel of capital without warning and never look back.

      2 votes
  2. [9]
    Deimos
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    This is especially significant because CMV is one of the subreddits that reddit regularly holds up as an example of the good content on reddit. They're also a source of good press for reddit, such...

    This is especially significant because CMV is one of the subreddits that reddit regularly holds up as an example of the good content on reddit. They're also a source of good press for reddit, such as this article from last year.

    I knew they were working on this, but wasn't sure how far along it was or what the overall plan was. They've been increasingly unhappy with reddit, including one of the moderators (who's one of the primary ones involved with the new site) publishing this post that got a lot of attention at the time: Reddit redesigned its site and it could kill discussion subreddits

    18 votes
    1. [7]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      I think this phrase in that post is quite telling: Mid-2018 was just after the redesign started getting pushed out to all users, even though it was still officially in alpha-testing and was not...

      I think this phrase in that post is quite telling:

      This is why, in mid-2018, I decided a “CMV 2.0” was necessary

      Mid-2018 was just after the redesign started getting pushed out to all users, even though it was still officially in alpha-testing and was not yet feature complete - and those features favoured shallow content over in-depth discussion.

      The timing is very revealing...

      14 votes
      1. [6]
        alyaza
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        it still astonishes me that we're like, a year into the redesign being a thing and it still: runs like complete shit looks like complete shit is by all accounts a total downgrade on pretty much...

        it still astonishes me that we're like, a year into the redesign being a thing and it still:

        • runs like complete shit
        • looks like complete shit
        • is by all accounts a total downgrade on pretty much every level on both the user end and the moderator end
        • is so limiting that it will completely fuck over just about any subreddit with extensive CSS or flairing, despite the fact that many subs with such complex CSS or flairing are major subreddits

        i think it's really a miracle, if anything, that we didn't see this sort of movement sooner.

        24 votes
        1. [2]
          Deimos
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          For me, the most concerning thing is just how slow the progress seems to be. At this point, I think they've had so many people working on the redesign for so long that they've probably put more...

          For me, the most concerning thing is just how slow the progress seems to be. At this point, I think they've had so many people working on the redesign for so long that they've probably put more man-hours into the redesign than the old site over its entire life. But despite that, the redesign probably only has something like 40% of the functionality. And that's with it being exclusively front-end work—all the backend functionality is already there.

          One of the selling points for the redesign that they've been repeating over and over is that it would be so much easier and faster to develop for, because the old site was a mess (and it was). But the progress has been so slow, and there have been so many persistent and recurring bugs that I think the new version must already be a huge pile of spaghetti code too. They hired a lot of developers (well over a hundred) very quickly, and throwing all of those people at a project most likely didn't produce something very cohesive.

          24 votes
          1. teaearlgraycold
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            Hiring 100 engineers seems like a recipe for disaster. Especially since at one point there was only one tenured developer at Reddit. Every one of those hundred would have had their own idea for...

            Hiring 100 engineers seems like a recipe for disaster. Especially since at one point there was only one tenured developer at Reddit. Every one of those hundred would have had their own idea for how to redesign Reddit, and with no backbone to lead them this is what we got.

            8 votes
        2. emdash
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          I recently checked just how bloated Reddit has become. Trashed my cache, logged out, exposed myself to the horror that is the Reddit redesign. 3.67MB of junk coming down the wire. Holy crap....

          I recently checked just how bloated Reddit has become. Trashed my cache, logged out, exposed myself to the horror that is the Reddit redesign. 3.67MB of junk coming down the wire. Holy crap.

          Tildes is about 180KB. It's pretty telling.

          And that's not even with Tildes minifying its JS assets!

          15 votes
        3. Cosmos
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          And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the entire point of the redesign was to bring in new users, and increase engagement of the existing ones. Surely enough time has past that you should...

          And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the entire point of the redesign was to bring in new users, and increase engagement of the existing ones.

          Surely enough time has past that you should start seeing data showing whether or not those goals were achieved.

          Just looking at Alexa, the redesign seems to have had the complete opposite effect. Their ranking plummeted when the redesign was done, and hasn't shown any signs of recovering.

          5 votes
        4. cfabbro
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          Yeah, but the metrics! The metrics (user retention, ad views, etc) are through the roof! And isn't that really all that matters? /s

          Yeah, but the metrics! The metrics (user retention, ad views, etc) are through the roof! And isn't that really all that matters? /s

          8 votes
    2. cfabbro
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      The CMV crew has written a lot of really good stuff on their blog. One of my favorites is their analysis on people using "That's Bullshit". It's incredible how much effort and thought they put in...

      The CMV crew has written a lot of really good stuff on their blog. One of my favorites is their analysis on people using "That's Bullshit". It's incredible how much effort and thought they put in to every decision like that.

      5 votes
  3. [19]
    hero0fwar
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    How can I do this with high quality gifs?

    How can I do this with high quality gifs?

    13 votes
    1. Adys
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      Are you seriously asking? Because well, all you need is a website and the community's approval. The rest is just tech. What do you need help with? I can try to give any advice I can.

      Are you seriously asking? Because well, all you need is a website and the community's approval. The rest is just tech. What do you need help with? I can try to give any advice I can.

      7 votes
    2. [17]
      Wes
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      Apologies if this is off topic, but "high quality gif" sounds like an oxymoron to me. Aren't gifs restricted to 256 colors per frame? I know they have a smaller header than png which makes them...

      Apologies if this is off topic, but "high quality gif" sounds like an oxymoron to me. Aren't gifs restricted to 256 colors per frame? I know they have a smaller header than png which makes them suitable for transparent 1x1 images (tracking dots, etc), but as far as I know that's where their advantages end.

      5 votes
      1. [3]
        Levantus
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        Asking the king himself haha. hero0fwar was/is probably the top creator of gifs on Reddit. Yeah, gifs are very inefficient and to get them high quality requires a lot of data.

        Asking the king himself haha. hero0fwar was/is probably the top creator of gifs on Reddit. Yeah, gifs are very inefficient and to get them high quality requires a lot of data.

        12 votes
        1. hero0fwar
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          https://i.imgur.com/8B8o9pZ.gifv But for real, we know it's really high quality webms, HQG is just our house hold name

          Asking the king himself haha. hero0fwar was/is probably the top creator of gifs on Reddit

          https://i.imgur.com/8B8o9pZ.gifv

          But for real, we know it's really high quality webms, HQG is just our house hold name

          17 votes
      2. [3]
        cfabbro
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        https://www.reddit.com/r/HighQualityGifs/ You would probably be surprised at what the Gif masters there (like hero0fwar) can manage to do, even with a limit of 256 colors.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/HighQualityGifs/

        You would probably be surprised at what the Gif masters there (like hero0fwar) can manage to do, even with a limit of 256 colors.

        10 votes
        1. EditingAndLayout
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          A lot of the fun died for me when actual GIF files were replaced by muted videos. These days, everyone posts webm/HTML5 videos without sound, and there's no challenge to it. Trying to make 256...

          A lot of the fun died for me when actual GIF files were replaced by muted videos.

          These days, everyone posts webm/HTML5 videos without sound, and there's no challenge to it. Trying to make 256 colors look good under 5 MB (or even 2 MB in the early days) was the best part. It was that challenge that kept things interesting.

          Giving yourself all the colors in the world and unlimited file size just kills creativity.

          9 votes
      3. [8]
        zlsa
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        If you're willing to drop the ideological "gif" part, it's just a video, which are generally far smaller than gifs. Unfortunately, r/HighQualityGifs is very much a creator-led subreddit, not a...

        If you're willing to drop the ideological "gif" part, it's just a video, which are generally far smaller than gifs. Unfortunately, r/HighQualityGifs is very much a creator-led subreddit, not a community-driven Q/A subreddit, so I don't see it being a financial success as a standalone website.

        5 votes
        1. hero0fwar
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          We have a very very strong community btw, I chat with most of the creators weekly on slack and discord. Shifting to a less toxic platform wouldn't be an issue

          Unfortunately, r/HighQualityGifs is very much a creator-led subreddi

          We have a very very strong community btw, I chat with most of the creators weekly on slack and discord. Shifting to a less toxic platform wouldn't be an issue

          9 votes
        2. [6]
          hero0fwar
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          Was thinking more along the lines of a link aggregator still. But something self managed, and stand alone. Like a tildes but for imgur and gfycat links

          Was thinking more along the lines of a link aggregator still. But something self managed, and stand alone. Like a tildes but for imgur and gfycat links

          5 votes
          1. [4]
            cfabbro
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            I would say you could set up your own instance of Tildes, since it's open-source after all, but given Deimos never plans on implementing expandos and whatnot, it's probably not ideal. However,...

            I would say you could set up your own instance of Tildes, since it's open-source after all, but given Deimos never plans on implementing expandos and whatnot, it's probably not ideal. However, Postmill is what raddle.me uses, it's also opensource, and they may be more amenable to adding that sort of functionality.

            8 votes
            1. [3]
              hero0fwar
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              Nice, now I'm off to learn coding

              Nice, now I'm off to learn coding

              6 votes
              1. [2]
                cfabbro
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                Bah, just take on a bunch of venture capital and hire some programmers. It's what all the cool kids are doing! ;)

                Bah, just take on a bunch of venture capital and hire some programmers. It's what all the cool kids are doing! ;)

                8 votes
          2. sublime_aenima
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            If you make that, please let me know cause I would love to have a place that wasn’t imgur or reddit for hqgs.

            If you make that, please let me know cause I would love to have a place that wasn’t imgur or reddit for hqgs.

            1 vote
      4. [2]
        NaraVara
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        These days I think "gif" refers less to the format and more to the idea of a short, silent animated clip. Most of the reaction gifs and stuff out there are actually webms.

        These days I think "gif" refers less to the format and more to the idea of a short, silent animated clip. Most of the reaction gifs and stuff out there are actually webms.

        4 votes
        1. sublime_aenima
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          Like @editingandlayout kind of mentioned, even hqg is less and less about short clips and more about silent videos with added effects. I don’t pay much attention anymore so probably wrong, but it...

          Like @editingandlayout kind of mentioned, even hqg is less and less about short clips and more about silent videos with added effects. I don’t pay much attention anymore so probably wrong, but it feels like at least once a month someone is asking how to add their 3 minute, 4K UHD “gif” to imgur.

          2 votes
  4. [3]
    Algernon_Asimov
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    Interesting. I've known a couple of subreddits over the years where the mod teams have seriously discussed setting up our their own website and breaking away from Reddit. CMV's moderators aren't...

    Interesting. I've known a couple of subreddits over the years where the mod teams have seriously discussed setting up our their own website and breaking away from Reddit. CMV's moderators aren't the only ones dissatisfied with the way Reddit is going.

    12 votes
    1. emdash
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      When I moderated r/SpaceX, we considered hosting a secondary site, with more expansive information that blended a couple of subreddits under the SpaceX-umbrella. Ultimately not much came of this,...

      When I moderated r/SpaceX, we considered hosting a secondary site, with more expansive information that blended a couple of subreddits under the SpaceX-umbrella. Ultimately not much came of this, but we did begin work on an offsite-moderation platform that we hoped to end up using & selling to other subreddits on a per moderator per year basis.

      The plan is it would deliver real-time notifications & manage moderation queues with far more advanced heuristics than available on default Reddit, interacting via the Reddit API. Automod helped a lot, but by god, were the default Reddit moderation tools just complete trash for what we wanted to do—silent, seamless pre-approval of every comment & post. We encountered serious, serious scaling issues around the 25-30k user mark. I don't know if it's actually possible to heavily curate a heavily-active subreddit on Reddit that's larger than that.

      This would've operated similarly to the "Mission Control" platform I developed at the time to allow us moderators to run launch threads. It was a fun, but frustrating time. Sadly the Reddit community just became worthless to maintain. Too much noise, not enough signal.

      11 votes
    2. NaraVara
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      The Roosterteeth forums kind of went the other way. The community forum site is still up, but it's a ghost town. Almost all the activity is on Instagram, Twitter, and Reddit. The community has...

      The Roosterteeth forums kind of went the other way. The community forum site is still up, but it's a ghost town. Almost all the activity is on Instagram, Twitter, and Reddit.

      The community has grown to be HUGE compared to what it was, but it also isn't really a community anymore.

      3 votes
  5. [8]
    AugustusFerdinand
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    Honestly, can't say I blame them and I can see this being the first of several departures for monetary reasons. As we all know Reddit operates and thrives on the free labor of moderators, without...

    Honestly, can't say I blame them and I can see this being the first of several departures for monetary reasons. As we all know Reddit operates and thrives on the free labor of moderators, without it Reddit is unlikely to exist today. Having moderated several large subs there, it very must is a job to do it continually and there is zero incentive to do so other than the "pride of growing a community" (rare) or the power trip (common). The question is how hard CMV pushes subscribers to the new site and if they can make a profit off of it.

    8 votes
    1. [7]
      alyaza
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      the moment reddit moderators realize they are the wheels that turn the website and take any form of extensive and sustained direct action is probably the day that reddit either changes or dies. we...

      As we all know Reddit operates and thrives on the free labor of moderators, without it Reddit is unlikely to exist today.

      the moment reddit moderators realize they are the wheels that turn the website and take any form of extensive and sustained direct action is probably the day that reddit either changes or dies. we saw a flash of this with the mass blackout of subs when victoria was fired/left, and it's not like reddit has gotten any less consolidated since then.

      9 votes
      1. [6]
        The_Fad
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        Can you imagine the chaos if reddit mods tried to unionize?

        Can you imagine the chaos if reddit mods tried to unionize?

        4 votes
        1. [5]
          alyaza
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          unionizing isn't even necessary, honestly (and it's far more complicated than would be worth the effort). i was imagining something more like a mod strike where all the mods just do nothing and...

          unionizing isn't even necessary, honestly (and it's far more complicated than would be worth the effort). i was imagining something more like a mod strike where all the mods just do nothing and disable automod where possible. that would almost immediately bring the website to screeching, toxic collapse, because reddit is a toxic shitheap with extensive moderation. without it, the site would probably descend into complete and genuine mad max style anarchy within the hour, and you'd better believe that would cause a pretty big row and probably do some damage to reddit. there are ways reddit could presumably damage control that, but even if something like that only went on for a single day, it'd probably be a PR catastrophe.

          15 votes
          1. [4]
            dubteedub
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            Its fairly widely believed among the (now former) default moderators that if we were to try another blackout or simillar protest that the admins would step in and remove the mods that...

            Its fairly widely believed among the (now former) default moderators that if we were to try another blackout or simillar protest that the admins would step in and remove the mods that participated, and replace us with any of the hundreds of willing volunteers to step in. The likelihood of them being free speech nutjobs like go1dfish/freespeechwarrior is pretty likely imo.

            8 votes
            1. [3]
              alyaza
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              removing the offenders only works so well though, which is why i say it'd still be a PR catastrophe. you can't exactly overturn what in this hypothetical would be literally thousands of people who...

              removing the offenders only works so well though, which is why i say it'd still be a PR catastrophe. you can't exactly overturn what in this hypothetical would be literally thousands of people who have given millions of man hours of unpaid labor and replace them all with equally qualified people on a moment's notice, and inevitably trying to take such action would completely fuck a lot of communities over completely. reddit is stupid, but i don't think they're dumb enough to take the nuclear option when they know full and well that the only possible outcome is a worse experience for a userbase that already has a love-hate relationship with the site.

              6 votes
              1. [2]
                dubteedub
                Link Parent
                I think realistically, we could get a few hundreds moderators on board, but in reality, it is not that big of a pool of folks that are involved. Even some of the biggest subreddits only have 30-40...

                you can't exactly overturn what in this hypothetical would be literally thousands of people who have given millions of man hours of unpaid labor

                I think realistically, we could get a few hundreds moderators on board, but in reality, it is not that big of a pool of folks that are involved. Even some of the biggest subreddits only have 30-40 moderators, which frankly is an insane amount of work / pressure for such a small team. Honestly, almost every big subreddit typically relies on three or four super heavily invested mods.

                and replace them all with equally qualified people on a moment's notice, and inevitably trying to take such action would completely fuck a lot of communities over completely.

                The issue is that I doubt they would really care all that much about finding qualified people. When the mods of /r/nomansskythegame tried to close the sub down in 2016, they just kicked all the mods out and added a bunch of randoms that asked to be on board.

                Reddit does not think highly of moderators. They accept that we are necessary for the sake of the site, but we are disposable gadflys that they have calculated is better for now to keep around, but if we cause trouble, I really doubt they would hesitate to take action.

                reddit is stupid, but i don't think they're dumb enough to take the nuclear option when they know full and well that the only possible outcome is a worse experience for a userbase that already has a love-hate relationship with the site.

                Redditors are stupid and just as fickle. Most Redditors already hate moderators and could just as easily side with the admins against the meany mods who are trying to censor them.

                4 votes
                1. sublime_aenima
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                  Not to mention that even getting all the mods of a single sub to agree on the same thing is like herding cats. Mods hate mods just as much as regular users and I could easily see people using an...

                  Not to mention that even getting all the mods of a single sub to agree on the same thing is like herding cats. Mods hate mods just as much as regular users and I could easily see people using an attempt at unionizing to get people above them kicked or as an excuse to justify kicking someone below them. Hell, when I deleted my account I seriously considered kicking tons of mods from lots of zsubs before I decided that I really didn’t care that much (although I would have if I could have kept access to modmail).

                  3 votes
  6. [5]
    Deimos
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    Wired wrote an article about this that has some more information as well: https://www.wired.com/story/change-my-view-gets-its-own-website/

    Wired wrote an article about this that has some more information as well: https://www.wired.com/story/change-my-view-gets-its-own-website/

    5 votes
    1. [4]
      mrbig
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      Unrelated and honest question: in English is it really correct to say "Wired wrote", since "Wired", strictly speaking, is an abstract concept and doesn't actually writes anything, but merely...

      Unrelated and honest question: in English is it really correct to say "Wired wrote", since "Wired", strictly speaking, is an abstract concept and doesn't actually writes anything, but merely publishes it?

      3 votes
      1. [3]
        Deimos
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        No, "published" would definitely be correct. I do that fairly often, refer to a site as though it's the entity that wrote the articles on it, but it's not really right.

        No, "published" would definitely be correct. I do that fairly often, refer to a site as though it's the entity that wrote the articles on it, but it's not really right.

        4 votes
        1. [2]
          cfabbro
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          Colloquially, "X (newspaper/magazine) wrote Y (quote/article)", is pretty widely used though. So while it may not be "correct" in the strictly formal grammatical sense, it would still be...

          Colloquially, "X (newspaper/magazine) wrote Y (quote/article)", is pretty widely used though. So while it may not be "correct" in the strictly formal grammatical sense, it would still be considered perfectly acceptable in an informal, conversational setting. @mrbig

          6 votes
          1. mrbig
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            Cool, thanks. The equivalent in Portuguese would be definitely wrong, hence the question.

            Cool, thanks. The equivalent in Portuguese would be definitely wrong, hence the question.

            2 votes
  7. BelleAriel
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    I don’t think it will work out as it’s hard to grow forums these days but I wish them luck.

    I don’t think it will work out as it’s hard to grow forums these days but I wish them luck.

    4 votes
  8. [2]
    user2
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    I have been trying to open changeaview.com for close to 2 days now. The connection always times out. Are you guys able to use it?

    I have been trying to open changeaview.com for close to 2 days now. The connection always times out. Are you guys able to use it?

    3 votes
    1. Deimos
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      It works for me, but it's very slow. It takes over 10 seconds to load the front page and does a lot of requests.

      It works for me, but it's very slow. It takes over 10 seconds to load the front page and does a lot of requests.

      2 votes
  9. [6]
    mrbig
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    I don’t think that’s gonna work. Yes, CMV has a lot of subscribers, but that’s because subscribing on Reddit is one click. Who’s going to create a new account for a single subwebsite when there’s...

    I don’t think that’s gonna work. Yes, CMV has a lot of subscribers, but that’s because subscribing on Reddit is one click. Who’s going to create a new account for a single subwebsite when there’s a perfectly functional Reddit sub? If you don’t like the redesign just use old.reddit. And the advantages listed in the blog post will mostly be perceived by the moderators...

    They should just stay on Reddit until Tildes or another platform became a viable option.

    2 votes
    1. [2]
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      1. mrbig
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        I don't think it will get even there. That's what I call "not working".

        It's easier to tell the difference between 10k and 100k though.

        I don't think it will get even there. That's what I call "not working".

    2. [4]
      Amarok
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      I want to see CMV's 'delta' mechanic (or some evolution of the concept) implemented on Tildes at some point. The idea that users can hand out a special limited-use label (think one per thread...

      I want to see CMV's 'delta' mechanic (or some evolution of the concept) implemented on Tildes at some point. The idea that users can hand out a special limited-use label (think one per thread rather than one per eight hours) which signals 'this comment changed my mind' seems like it'll add real value to discussion threads.

      5 votes
      1. [3]
        sublime_aenima
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        Why would it need to be limited? If multiple people change your mind in a single thread, why should you be required to only say one changed your mind? What if it was only due to a combo of...

        Why would it need to be limited? If multiple people change your mind in a single thread, why should you be required to only say one changed your mind? What if it was only due to a combo of multiple people?

        While I don’t like the time limiting of exemplary, I understand the reasoning since it acts as a super upvote. Recognizing that a comment or post is enlightening or helped change your mind is not something that I think should have any extra effects nor be time limited.

        1 vote
        1. [2]
          Amarok
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          It might not need to be. CMV's delta is a reddit-hack powered by a clever bot, I'm sure we can do far better than that. I just worry a bit adding new labels/toys because people naturally tend to...

          It might not need to be. CMV's delta is a reddit-hack powered by a clever bot, I'm sure we can do far better than that. I just worry a bit adding new labels/toys because people naturally tend to use them in unintended ways. A 'changed my mind' token might tend to get abused as a super-upvote if it can be spammed or changes the highlighting in some way - which I think we'd want, for comments that generate a lot of delta activity. Playing with the bandwagon effect is always risky business. We'll just try and tweak until it works, like we did with labels.

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          1. sublime_aenima
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            Ah, I assumed the token would just be something as simple as a little flair or badge or something minorly cosmetic rather than a highlight or changing vote weights, etc. Although now that you...

            Ah, I assumed the token would just be something as simple as a little flair or badge or something minorly cosmetic rather than a highlight or changing vote weights, etc. Although now that you explained it for me, it makes sense that even just a flair would be abused and could definitely change voting behavior.

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  10. firstname
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    I feel like i dont have to read into this more then just nod my head and think, that most of the original reddit users and community moderators will migrate sooner or later. It is simply not...

    I feel like i dont have to read into this more then just nod my head and think, that most of the original reddit users and community moderators will migrate sooner or later. It is simply not designed the way it used to be and is turning into a more traditional social media, powered by easy access dopamine releases and ads.

    2 votes