Genuinely asking, why does that matter? Googling a bit I see presto is the old opera proprietary browser engine, and it is now built on Google's blink engine. Is the dislike because it is a...
Genuinely asking, why does that matter? Googling a bit I see presto is the old opera proprietary browser engine, and it is now built on Google's blink engine. Is the dislike because it is a google-built engine? Is it something else? Is it something casual browser users would notice or mostly just power users? I really don't know much about browsers and browser engines to figure out why not using presto is bad.
I think it's more so that we're slowly going towards a monopoly on the browser engines. Basically it's down to : Gecko/Servo Webkit Blink Before we also had : Presto Trident (Internet explorer)...
I think it's more so that we're slowly going towards a monopoly on the browser engines.
Basically it's down to :
Gecko/Servo
Webkit
Blink
Before we also had :
Presto
Trident (Internet explorer)
EdgeHTML (Edge)
We've killed 50% of our engines in the last decade basically. Sure, we can say it's good that now all of our engines are open source but if nobody can keep up with the browser engines, we're only inching more and more towards making the web ecosystem proprietary to those engines rather than using standards that anyone can follow. We can see that more and more with websites basically only working on Chrome.
Really? no. Not only has it been 6 years as @oden mentioned but Blink uses the V8 javascript engine instead of JavascriptCore and the Chromium ecosystem is really different at this point. At the...
Really? no. Not only has it been 6 years as @oden mentioned but Blink uses the V8 javascript engine instead of JavascriptCore and the Chromium ecosystem is really different at this point. At the core, they are "similar-ish" but in practical use, they are very different.
The most popular webkit is Safari and Blink is Chromium, they are two very different beasts at this point both for compatibility and speed.
Different engines, but I'd say Edge and Trident are even more closely related personally because there are actual examples of their lack of diversity slapping them both upside the head with the...
Different engines, but I'd say Edge and Trident are even more closely related personally because there are actual examples of their lack of diversity slapping them both upside the head with the same exploits. I don't know if any exist for Webkit/Blink which is why I'm asking if they suffer from the same problem.
Talking out my butt here but they're probably still architecturally very similar, right? EdgeHTML was very different from Trident, but they shared enough DNA that quite a few of the same exploits...
Talking out my butt here but they're probably still architecturally very similar, right? EdgeHTML was very different from Trident, but they shared enough DNA that quite a few of the same exploits affected both.
I really like Firefox because of its vast quantity of customization options. Between about:config (advanced settings) and userChrome (in-depth CSS and JavaScript customization for Firefox's UI), I...
I really like Firefox because of its vast quantity of customization options. Between about:config (advanced settings) and userChrome (in-depth CSS and JavaScript customization for Firefox's UI), I have a lot to mess around with and really make the browser work for me. Other browsers are too locked down for my tastes.
I feel the same. When quantum dropped most of my issues with firefox disappeared. At this point all of the plugins have adapted or been replaced with new ones that have similar functions, so the...
I feel the same. When quantum dropped most of my issues with firefox disappeared. At this point all of the plugins have adapted or been replaced with new ones that have similar functions, so the rocky part of the transition is over. I seriously doubt any other browser could ever tempt me away from my firefox build - mozilla would have to screw firefox up to get me to switch at this point.
Firefox' Panorama feature revolutionised my workflow. Then they removed it, because very few users actually used it… Then several users reimplemented it as extensions, because really, this feature...
What cool and life changing abilities have I been sleeping on when I just use my browser to browse?
Firefox' Panorama feature revolutionised my workflow.
Then they removed it, because very few users actually used it…
I'm a big fan of Vivaldi, although since it's halfway-closed source it might not be the best browser perceived security-wise. It has a lot of features out-of-the-box that I find a bit too valuable...
I'm a big fan of Vivaldi, although since it's halfway-closed source it might not be the best browser perceived security-wise. It has a lot of features out-of-the-box that I find a bit too valuable (side tabs, page capturing, lots of behavior customization) and it still feels like a slightly-older browser in some respects (I like having a status bar...).
User-Agent strings are honestly a mess, and should be completely deprecated at this point as 99%+ of all internet traffic is sent from browsers which don't obey the original intent of the...
User-Agent strings are honestly a mess, and should be completely deprecated at this point as 99%+ of all internet traffic is sent from browsers which don't obey the original intent of the User-Agent string, which had questionable intent in the first place, as a way to prevent or promote certain UA's from performing certain functions—completely against the principles of an open & equal internet.
Absolutely no way I'm using a closed-source Chinese-owned browser.
I thought it was owned by a Norwegian company?
It used to, Opera people are making Vivaldi now.
It was sold to Chinese investors in 2016, link: https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/18/opera-browser-sold-to-a-chinese-consortium-for-600-million/
Genuinely asking, why does that matter? Googling a bit I see presto is the old opera proprietary browser engine, and it is now built on Google's blink engine. Is the dislike because it is a google-built engine? Is it something else? Is it something casual browser users would notice or mostly just power users? I really don't know much about browsers and browser engines to figure out why not using presto is bad.
I think it's more so that we're slowly going towards a monopoly on the browser engines.
Basically it's down to :
Before we also had :
We've killed 50% of our engines in the last decade basically. Sure, we can say it's good that now all of our engines are open source but if nobody can keep up with the browser engines, we're only inching more and more towards making the web ecosystem proprietary to those engines rather than using standards that anyone can follow. We can see that more and more with websites basically only working on Chrome.
Aren't Webkit and Blink still pretty closely blood-related, too?
Really? no. Not only has it been 6 years as @oden mentioned but Blink uses the V8 javascript engine instead of JavascriptCore and the Chromium ecosystem is really different at this point. At the core, they are "similar-ish" but in practical use, they are very different.
The most popular webkit is Safari and Blink is Chromium, they are two very different beasts at this point both for compatibility and speed.
Well if Trident and EdgeHTML count as different engines, then I'd argue so do Blink and WebKit.
Different engines, but I'd say Edge and Trident are even more closely related personally because there are actual examples of their lack of diversity slapping them both upside the head with the same exploits. I don't know if any exist for Webkit/Blink which is why I'm asking if they suffer from the same problem.
Yes.
It was forked from WebKit, but it's been almost 6 years now so I'd be surprised if the code (for new features at least) isn't significantly different.
The size of a browser engine's codebase alone pretty much guarantees that there is still a lot of shared code between the two.
Talking out my butt here but they're probably still architecturally very similar, right? EdgeHTML was very different from Trident, but they shared enough DNA that quite a few of the same exploits affected both.
And it never will. Presto is dead.
Yep, as recently as February 2016.
Ah, I didn't know anyone was working on that. That's neat. Got any links?
I really like Firefox because of its vast quantity of customization options. Between about:config (advanced settings) and userChrome (in-depth CSS and JavaScript customization for Firefox's UI), I have a lot to mess around with and really make the browser work for me. Other browsers are too locked down for my tastes.
I feel the same. When quantum dropped most of my issues with firefox disappeared. At this point all of the plugins have adapted or been replaced with new ones that have similar functions, so the rocky part of the transition is over. I seriously doubt any other browser could ever tempt me away from my firefox build - mozilla would have to screw firefox up to get me to switch at this point.
Firefox' Panorama feature revolutionised my workflow.
Then they removed it, because very few users actually used it…
Then several users reimplemented it as extensions, because really, this feature is the best.
Ugh, I loved Panorama so much. It brought sanity to my browser workspace of dozens upon dozens of tabs.
I'm a big fan of Vivaldi, although since it's halfway-closed source it might not be the best browser perceived security-wise. It has a lot of features out-of-the-box that I find a bit too valuable (side tabs, page capturing, lots of behavior customization) and it still feels like a slightly-older browser in some respects (I like having a status bar...).
I will not use browsers with WebKit User-Agent strings for general purpose browsing. Fight the monoculture!
User-Agent strings are honestly a mess, and should be completely deprecated at this point as 99%+ of all internet traffic is sent from browsers which don't obey the original intent of the User-Agent string, which had questionable intent in the first place, as a way to prevent or promote certain UA's from performing certain functions—completely against the principles of an open & equal internet.
Webkit? You mean Blink?
Possibly I do, yeah.
Blink is Chromium, Webkit is Safari. Atleast, those are the most popular with each :P
I really want a Vivaldi, but based on Gecko. Guess I'm stuck with FF. (Stuck is a strong word though, it is a good browser)