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The crowdfunded Dragonfly Futurefön scammed backers for over $725,000, but was only the last step in a decade-long multi-million dollar fraud

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    GrafHasenzahn Link
    this is so sad. Such an amazing idea. This is probably way too flimsy and impractical but who cares, it's a cool gimmick. But having a phone/tablet running a full windows is already not really...

    this is so sad. Such an amazing idea. This is probably way too flimsy and impractical but who cares, it's a cool gimmick. But having a phone/tablet running a full windows is already not really credible.

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      KapteinB Link Parent
      Well, the last Lumia phone actually did that. But I think Microsoft had already given up on phones by that point.

      But having a phone/tablet running a full windows is already not really credible.

      Well, the last Lumia phone actually did that. But I think Microsoft had already given up on phones by that point.

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        Akir Link Parent
        Oh yeah. Continuum was a great idea, but it failed largely because it took too long to come to market; by then, nobody wanted to spend their money on a Windows phone, especially because it meant...

        Oh yeah. Continuum was a great idea, but it failed largely because it took too long to come to market; by then, nobody wanted to spend their money on a Windows phone, especially because it meant that they would lose access to all the software they had purchased for Android or iPhone.

        It should also be noted that their implementation only allowed you to install UWP apps, so even if the developers were willing to cross-compile an ARM binary, you couldn't run the applications you likely would want to run.

        (edited for more info)

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          KapteinB Link Parent
          Personally I think they were trying to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist. Using your phone as a computer is a cool idea, but it's much more practical to just buy a laptop. Canonical made...

          but it failed largely because it took too long to come to market

          Personally I think they were trying to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist. Using your phone as a computer is a cool idea, but it's much more practical to just buy a laptop. Canonical made phones running Ubuntu that could be used as computers, and they flopped. Samsung now offers similar functionality on their high-end phones, but I don't know anyone who uses it. I think even if Windows Phone had Continuum at launch in 2010 it would have been a failure.

          It should also be noted that their implementation only allowed you to install UWP apps, so even if the developers were willing to cross-compile an ARM binary, you couldn't run the applications you likely would want to run.

          Microsoft was working on a project they called Project Cobalt, that would have allowed x86 applications to run on ARM64 Windows devices. I'm not sure if they ever actually implemented this functionality.

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          1. Akir Link Parent
            Canonical never produced this phone. They did a kickstarter to produce what they called the Ubuntu Edge (which I think was the highest asking price in kickstarter history at the time), which...

            Canonical never produced this phone. They did a kickstarter to produce what they called the Ubuntu Edge (which I think was the highest asking price in kickstarter history at the time), which failed. They also created another mobile operating system called Ubuntu touch which was not designed to be a full linux desktop experience and was a commercial flop that was eventually abandoned.

            Windows on ARM has a rocky history; they first started off with Windows RT, which was so locked down that it didn't have any market appeal at all It couldn't run non-UWP software and it couldn't even join a Windows Domain, making it unappealing to businesses. It basically appeared on their own Surface RT and nothing else. Now there is an official Windows on ARM which you can purchase with any device designed specifically for it. It currently does have x86 emulation, though it doesn't perform that well (naturally). I'm not sure if it has any restrictions, but I do not believe that Microsoft has provided tooling to produce any form of native "Desktop" applications. I might be wrong there, though.

          2. JXM Link Parent
            I think nobody uses them because they aren't running Windows. If they ran an operating system that everyone used and knew, a lot more people would use it. Having one device that's the brain that...

            I think nobody uses them because they aren't running Windows. If they ran an operating system that everyone used and knew, a lot more people would use it. Having one device that's the brain that can be plugged into different docks is a great idea, but none of them run full Windows 10.

      2. GrafHasenzahn Link Parent
        I have never heard about this phone before but holy moly it's amazing. Sure, you could just carry a Raspberry pi around, that would be much cheaper but it's a great concept! But I never really...

        I have never heard about this phone before but holy moly it's amazing. Sure, you could just carry a Raspberry pi around, that would be much cheaper but it's a great concept! But I never really liked windows phones, I have always been an android guy so this phone is nothing for me.