5 votes

Demoted and placed on probation

12 comments

  1. [9]
    no_exit
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    I have a hard time taking seriously lamentations about the state of free speech on college campuses when the author associates with Jordan Peterson, who created a website specifically to have...

    I have a hard time taking seriously lamentations about the state of free speech on college campuses when the author associates with Jordan Peterson, who created a website specifically to have professors deemed too 'leftist' harassed and fired.

    19 votes
    1. [8]
      Micycle_the_Bichael
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      I'm not saying people are incapable of change, but reading this article with quotes by this guy from 1991 when he got fired from Stanford for bragging about using illegal drugs and buying alcohol...

      I'm not saying people are incapable of change, but reading this article with quotes by this guy from 1991 when he got fired from Stanford for bragging about using illegal drugs and buying alcohol for students illegally as well as the original article that got him in trouble at UW really paints an unsympathetic picture of the author in my mind.

      7 votes
      1. [5]
        no_exit
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        to be clear I think that owns actually, but yeah the original article is nothing but the typical whining. at the end of the day, his entire concern boils down to this, that the SJW agenda has to...

        he got fired from Stanford for bragging about using illegal drugs and buying alcohol for students illegally

        to be clear I think that owns actually, but yeah the original article is nothing but the typical whining.

        I worry that lack of progress will make us more likely to switch from positive messages about women succeeding in tech to negative stories about men behaving badly in tech, which I think will do more harm than good. Women will find themselves wondering if they should resent men and men will feel guilty for sins committed by other men. Women are not going to find this message appealing and men will find themselves feeling even more awkward around women than they would be otherwise.

        at the end of the day, his entire concern boils down to this, that the SJW agenda has to be defeated lest people say more mean things about White males. how terrifying.

        6 votes
        1. [4]
          Death
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          Honestly if he had just used recreational drugs on his time and bought drinks out of generosity that'd be cool, but as the article states he was carrying Speed and MDMA around on campus and bought...

          he got fired from Stanford for bragging about using illegal drugs and buying alcohol for students illegally

          to be clear I think that owns actually, but yeah the original article is nothing but the typical whining.

          Honestly if he had just used recreational drugs on his time and bought drinks out of generosity that'd be cool, but as the article states he was carrying Speed and MDMA around on campus and bought drinks for people below the drinking age. There's some very valid concerns about power dynamics to be had there.

          4 votes
          1. [3]
            no_exit
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            I don't have a problem with either of those things, as long as they were as described and he wasn't using them with students. It's a fair point though.

            I don't have a problem with either of those things, as long as they were as described and he wasn't using them with students. It's a fair point though.

            1. [2]
              spit-evil-olive-tips
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              From here: He sends a letter saying "I'm breaking federal laws, there's nothing you can do about it, neener neener" to the head of the federal Office of National Drug Control Policy. Then they do...

              From here:

              The action came less than two months after Reges, who has admitted using “speed,” cocaine and MDA, wrote a letter to federal drug czar Bob Martinez daring him to take action. “In brief I disagree with the government’s anti-drug campaign and I am doing everything I can to make fools of you,” Reges wrote. “I still carry illegal drugs in my backpack while on campus. I do not fear any of you, I have not changed my behavior, and nothing has happened to me.”

              He sends a letter saying "I'm breaking federal laws, there's nothing you can do about it, neener neener" to the head of the federal Office of National Drug Control Policy. Then they do something about it (namely, fire him), and he complains it's super duper unfair.

              That was 30 years ago. He has a multi-decade history of being a confrontational, contrarian asshole. That makes it much harder to take him seriously now.

              2 votes
              1. no_exit
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                Protesting the drug war and/or US drug policy is good, even if his choice of protest was probably somewhat informed by the stimulant consumption. There's also good arguments to be made against...

                Protesting the drug war and/or US drug policy is good, even if his choice of protest was probably somewhat informed by the stimulant consumption. There's also good arguments to be made against diversity, along the lines of pinkwashing or what have you. His opinion here is definitely wrong though, he probably made the classic right libertarian blunder of not realizing that capitalism is bad.

                1 vote
      2. [2]
        spit-evil-olive-tips
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        Your second link points to the same URL as the first, I think you meant to link to https://quillette.com/2018/06/19/why-women-dont-code/ instead?

        Your second link points to the same URL as the first, I think you meant to link to https://quillette.com/2018/06/19/why-women-dont-code/ instead?

        3 votes
        1. Micycle_the_Bichael
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          Ahhh. Thanks. Burned by careless copy-paste again :(

          Ahhh. Thanks. Burned by careless copy-paste again :(

          2 votes
  2. [2]
    Kuromantis
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    Sigh In case you don't know about quillette...
    9 votes
    1. Death
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      I'm not usually a "shoot the messenger" guy but Quilette honestly deserves scrutiny because they are consistently like this. It's too much to be a series of oopsie-daisies or some kind of...

      I'm not usually a "shoot the messenger" guy but Quilette honestly deserves scrutiny because they are consistently like this. It's too much to be a series of oopsie-daisies or some kind of misguided commitment to pushing boundaries.

      8 votes
  3. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    This boils down to the same crap that got James Damore fired from Google: Creating endless distraction and controversy at your job is not a good way to keep your job. His job is to teach students...

    This boils down to the same crap that got James Damore fired from Google:

    Creating endless distraction and controversy at your job is not a good way to keep your job.

    His job is to teach students computer science. Spawning a bunch of meta-discussion about tangentially related topics like diversity and inclusion is not his job. Writing thinkpieces on the notoriously alt-right-friendly Quillette (which, for example, has on their sidebar a link to an interview with Charles Murray, America's foremost peddler of scientific racism) about how he's "under attack" for creating such distractions is not his job.

    8 votes