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Apple now allows push notification advertising, updates dating app review guidelines and more

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  1. [11]
    JXM
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    Apple has been putting ads in push notifications for years. It’s a shame that they’re making it an officially sanctioned thing now though.

    Apple has been putting ads in push notifications for years. It’s a shame that they’re making it an officially sanctioned thing now though.

    5 votes
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      babypuncher
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      It is opt-in, as all other types of notifications are, and developers must provide and easy way to opt back out.

      It is opt-in, as all other types of notifications are, and developers must provide and easy way to opt back out.

      3 votes
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        JXM
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        I have no doubt that less than scrupulous developers will find some nice dark UI patterns to get users to sign up by mistake.

        I have no doubt that less than scrupulous developers will find some nice dark UI patterns to get users to sign up by mistake.

        4 votes
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          emdash
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          Honestly, the last few years of Apple's claims that their store allows a safe playground for customers is heavily dented by implicitly—and now explicitly—allowing these negative UI patterns such...

          Honestly, the last few years of Apple's claims that their store allows a safe playground for customers is heavily dented by implicitly—and now explicitly—allowing these negative UI patterns such as push notification advertising, along with the extortionate prices some developers charge via "sneaky subscriptions".

          I used to be very opposed to Warren's "you either build the hardware or play in the store/sell the services" comment, but Apple is increasingly indicating via their own in-phone advertising for their services that they can't be relied on to always act in consumer's best interests.

          4 votes
          1. JXM
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            I opened up the Apple Pay app the other day to pay for something and it gave me an ad for me the Apple Card. Since they have moved much more into "services", they've gotten increasingly pushy and...

            [...] Apple is increasingly indicating via their own in-phone advertising for their services that they can't be relied on to always act in consumer's best interests.

            I opened up the Apple Pay app the other day to pay for something and it gave me an ad for me the Apple Card.

            Since they have moved much more into "services", they've gotten increasingly pushy and more aggressive in pushing their services via notifications and in app upsells. I used to prefer Apple hardware simply because they didn't push their software so forcefully.

            7 votes
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          babypuncher
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          The user has to be asked if they are OK with receiving marketing notifications. That is opt-in.

          Push notifications can now be used for marketing purposes, as long as the user authorizes it.

          The user has to be asked if they are OK with receiving marketing notifications. That is opt-in.

          2 votes
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            1. Deimos
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              Reading the actual guidelines instead of this blog's summary seems more clear that you have to opt in and then there also needs to be an ability to opt out after you do:

              Reading the actual guidelines instead of this blog's summary seems more clear that you have to opt in and then there also needs to be an ability to opt out after you do:

              4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.

              6 votes
            2. [3]
              babypuncher
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              Apps cannot start sending you push notifications just because you've used them. The app has to request permission to send push notifications, and they have to use Apple's API to do it.

              Apps cannot start sending you push notifications just because you've used them. The app has to request permission to send push notifications, and they have to use Apple's API to do it.

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                1. aymm
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                  They have to use Apple's API though, and that requires a permission dialogue, so you need to give the app permission to send you notifications

                  They have to use Apple's API though, and that requires a permission dialogue, so you need to give the app permission to send you notifications

                  3 votes
                2. babypuncher
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                  An app cannot deliver push notifications until it has requested that permission from iOS, which directly asks the user in a pop up dialog box that is entirely out of control of the app. All push...

                  An app cannot deliver push notifications until it has requested that permission from iOS, which directly asks the user in a pop up dialog box that is entirely out of control of the app.

                  All push notifications in iOS apps are opt-in, period. It has been this way for years. There was no reason given in the article to assume that these particular push notifications would be exempt from that.

                  1 vote
        2. Keegan
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          You have to opt-in to receive them in the first place. The opt-out part is just so that at any time you can cancel the messages after saying yes initially. Hence the "also". At least that is my...

          You have to opt-in to receive them in the first place. The opt-out part is just so that at any time you can cancel the messages after saying yes initially. Hence the "also".

          At least that is my interpretation. I'm not Tim Apple though so I could be wrong.

          2 votes
  2. aymm
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    I was already getting these and I haven't found a simple way to report violations. Absolutely nothing about this makes me think that I'll be actually able to turn them off and that this rule will...

    Push notifications can now be used for marketing purposes, as long as the user authorizes it. Developers must also provide a method in the app to allow users to opt-out of receiving such messages.

    I was already getting these and I haven't found a simple way to report violations. Absolutely nothing about this makes me think that I'll be actually able to turn them off and that this rule will actually enforced. Hell, even Apple themselves have using notifications for marketing (although I'm less affected, because Apple News is not available in my country, and they seem to be a major offender)

    2 votes