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Microsoft Edge is now 2nd most popular desktop browser, beats Firefox; Chrome at 68% market share

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  1. [6]
    stu2b50
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    Graphs don't even have Chrome on it anymore, with 68.5% market share vs Edge's 7.59% at second. And Edge is effectively a fork of Chromium at this point. Really makes you think. Chrome has a...

    Graphs don't even have Chrome on it anymore, with 68.5% market share vs Edge's 7.59% at second. And Edge is effectively a fork of Chromium at this point. Really makes you think.

    Chrome has a stranglehold on the browser marketshare. As a result, Google can dictate 76% of how the world sees the internet. Hot damn.

    I'm surprised Firefox is actually losing marketshare over 2019, and quite a bit too, percentage wise.

    25 votes
    1. [2]
      arp242
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      Firefox also added more anti-tracking features in 2019. I wonder if and how that effects these stats. From the methodology page: Furthermore, I'm also skeptical about their "Country Level...

      I'm surprised Firefox is actually losing marketshare over 2019, and quite a bit too, percentage wise.

      Firefox also added more anti-tracking features in 2019. I wonder if and how that effects these stats. From the methodology page:

      We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of analytics and social bookmarking products

      Furthermore, I'm also skeptical about their "Country Level Weighting":

      We have implemented country-level weighting in our reports. This means that we adjust our reports proportionally based on how much traffic we record from a country vs. how many internet users that country has. For example, although we have significant data from China, it is relatively small compared to the number of internet users in China. Therefore, we weight Chinese traffic proportionally higher in our global reports.

      This is not completely unreasonable, but how do you know the Chinese visitors you do track are an accurate representation of the population of China? I'd wouldn't be surprised if it's not. Also, adding all these numbers to a "global" stat may not really be all that useful, because if those people aren't visiting non-Chinese websites, then who cares which browser they use?


      It's not like the numbers are complete bullshit, but it's rather hard to count browser usage, and these people present their data a bit more confident than they should IMHO. As I said in my other reply, there probably should be error bars here.

      18 votes
      1. dblohm7
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        Bingo!

        Firefox also added more anti-tracking features in 2019. I wonder if and how that effects these stats.

        Bingo!

        3 votes
    2. babypuncher
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      Chrome/Blink is the new IE. Let's all stop using it.

      Chrome/Blink is the new IE. Let's all stop using it.

      12 votes
    3. [2]
      determinism
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      How is the data collected? I have Edge on my Windows 10 installation. I can't remove it and use it periodically on accident.

      How is the data collected? I have Edge on my Windows 10 installation. I can't remove it and use it periodically on accident.

      1 vote
      1. skybrian
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        It comes from Netmarketshare and seems to be based on website visits. Here's their methodology page.

        It comes from Netmarketshare and seems to be based on website visits. Here's their methodology page.

        1 vote
  2. [3]
    arp242
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    I always wonder how accurate this kind of data is; it's presented with double-digit precision as if it's "hard data", but in reality there should probably some error bars here. I have no idea if...

    I always wonder how accurate this kind of data is; it's presented with double-digit precision as if it's "hard data", but in reality there should probably some error bars here. I have no idea if those should be 1% or 5% or 10% though.

    9 votes
    1. skybrian
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      They gather a lot more data than randomized polling, but the problem is that it's not random. There is systemic error based on whether the websites they've instrumented are "typical" of the...

      They gather a lot more data than randomized polling, but the problem is that it's not random. There is systemic error based on whether the websites they've instrumented are "typical" of the Internet, how they adjust for that, and whether they've successfully removed bots. For systemic error, there isn't a way to estimate the error and calculate a percentage.

      Also keep in mind that an average across all websites isn't directly relevant for any given website, because they will get a different mix of traffic based on their users. For example, if we wanted to know the browser share for Tildes then we'd need to use logs gathered by Tildes.

      6 votes
    2. TheJorro
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      Between this and all those numbers they were putting out about Microsoft Teams adoption rates, I am convinced that these numbers are inflated based on technicalities. Technically my organization...

      Between this and all those numbers they were putting out about Microsoft Teams adoption rates, I am convinced that these numbers are inflated based on technicalities. Technically my organization contributes 65k Microsoft Teams users according to Microsoft, even though it barely has 10% daily use among the enterprise.

      1 vote
  3. [4]
    Maddox
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    I'm committed to Firefox for every device I use. My preferred alternative is Edge. I'm not anti-Google, but I am against their stranglehold on browsers.

    I'm committed to Firefox for every device I use. My preferred alternative is Edge. I'm not anti-Google, but I am against their stranglehold on browsers.

    7 votes
    1. [3]
      stu2b50
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      Uh, I'm not sure Edge is the best alternative for Chrome if you want to avoid Google's influence

      Uh, I'm not sure Edge is the best alternative for Chrome if you want to avoid Google's influence

      3 votes
      1. ThatFanficGuy
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        They didn't say it was the best one: their best one is Firefox. It's an alternative.

        They didn't say it was the best one: their best one is Firefox. It's an alternative.

        6 votes
      2. skybrian
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        Google influences Internet standards too. I think you'd need a separate planet to avoid all influence. It might be more practical to be concrete about what you want to avoid.

        Google influences Internet standards too. I think you'd need a separate planet to avoid all influence.

        It might be more practical to be concrete about what you want to avoid.

        4 votes