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Why do I pay Adobe $10K a year? Reviewing video production software alternatives

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  1. [17]
    stu2b50
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    I will say that this is one pro for the Apple ecosystem, Final Cut is a one time-purchase, and Apple has historically been fantastic for software support. Apple's stuff cost quite a bit of a...

    I will say that this is one pro for the Apple ecosystem, Final Cut is a one time-purchase, and Apple has historically been fantastic for software support.

    Apple's stuff cost quite a bit of a premium (although iPhones are honestly just market price at this point), but you definitely get what you paid for, with no licensing, advertisement, data selling fuckery. You'll never see a Candy Crush ad built into Mac OS.

    13 votes
    1. JXM
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      It's crazy that it only costs $299 and has been receiving free updates for nearly 9 years. If you paid for Adobe Premiere for 9 years, it would cost $3,670.92. Final Cut Pro is an insanely good...

      It's crazy that it only costs $299 and has been receiving free updates for nearly 9 years. If you paid for Adobe Premiere for 9 years, it would cost $3,670.92.

      Final Cut Pro is an insanely good deal if you can manage to stay outside of the Adobe ecosystem.

      3 votes
    2. Grzmot
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      While true, buying Mac Pro workstations for your entire staff is probably out of the question for LTT.

      While true, buying Mac Pro workstations for your entire staff is probably out of the question for LTT.

      1 vote
    3. [13]
      p4t44
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      But you will get an unremovable Apple TV app built in even if you never have any interest in using it.

      But you will get an unremovable Apple TV app built in even if you never have any interest in using it.

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        Weldawadyathink
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        Where is this ad? I just switched to iOS and OS X and have not seen that. I am using the Apple TV app, so maybe it hides it if you use it.

        Where is this ad? I just switched to iOS and OS X and have not seen that. I am using the Apple TV app, so maybe it hides it if you use it.

        1. [11]
          Grzmot
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          What @p4t44 probably meant is that you get the Apple TV app preinstalled as a default app, which itself is an advertisement for the streaming service Apple has. I don't know if you can uninstall...

          What @p4t44 probably meant is that you get the Apple TV app preinstalled as a default app, which itself is an advertisement for the streaming service Apple has. I don't know if you can uninstall it, I don't use Apple devices.

          2 votes
          1. [10]
            ohyran
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            You can't - it confused me to no end when my new hand-me-down phone was an iphone (I haven't bought a phone ever, and tend to reinstall the ones I get with something else like Lineage which isn't...

            You can't - it confused me to no end when my new hand-me-down phone was an iphone (I haven't bought a phone ever, and tend to reinstall the ones I get with something else like Lineage which isn't a possibility here ofc) - I have like a music app, which doesn't play music on the phone. Then a web app which always opens instead of the one I prefer etc.

            The podcast app is pretty ok though.

            1 vote
            1. [4]
              JXM
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              On the iPhone you can remove the TV app just like you can most system apps.

              On the iPhone you can remove the TV app just like you can most system apps.

              3 votes
              1. [3]
                ohyran
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                I haven't tried with the TV app - I just gave some vague attempt and then thought "I just hide it in a folder with the text "never used"" :)

                I haven't tried with the TV app - I just gave some vague attempt and then thought "I just hide it in a folder with the text "never used"" :)

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                  Weldawadyathink
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                  As of iOS 13.4.1, here is the list of apps that I cannot uninstall: Settings Health Camera Photos Clock Find my Wallet App Store Phone Safari iMessage This seems more than reasonable to me. You...

                  As of iOS 13.4.1, here is the list of apps that I cannot uninstall:
                  Settings
                  Health
                  Camera
                  Photos
                  Clock
                  Find my
                  Wallet
                  App Store
                  Phone
                  Safari
                  iMessage

                  This seems more than reasonable to me. You can uninstall every other app in the exact same way you install any app. This comment is disingenuous. iOS let’s you remove more default apps than any android I have ever touched.

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                  1. ohyran
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                    Well I don't use Android (stock) and I am not trying to do a Android vs Apple fanboy flamewar - I honestly don't care that much. When it comes to phones they are fripperies most of the time anyway...

                    Well I don't use Android (stock) and I am not trying to do a Android vs Apple fanboy flamewar - I honestly don't care that much. When it comes to phones they are fripperies most of the time anyway (for ME). Personally I tend to reinstall and that still comes with drawbacks which is cool too. OR as is the case I find myself in now - with an iPhone and sort of thinking "Oh I can't remove that which I could on lineage, thats annoying".

                    I don't use Safari, I have no other Apple ecosystem apps - for me the issues are kinda big - for some they are not. Both is what it is.

                    I realize that "on le internet" the stock thing is that there has to be a dualistic answer: you are either pro-this and anti-that or vice versa - but for me that dualism doesn't exist. I have other prejudice I'm sure but that specific one isn't my jam.

                    What I am trying to say: you choose for you. If you do that going in with your eyes open - whatever is your preference is a good preference and I applaud you for it.

                    Also, I am kinda drunk (that "Oh I love you man/lady/person!" kinda drunk). <3

            2. [5]
              Grzmot
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              That's always been Apple's shtick though. You get a flashy, well-developed default choice. You get marginal options (compared to Android) to customize it. If you aren't happy beyond that, you can...

              That's always been Apple's shtick though. You get a flashy, well-developed default choice. You get marginal options (compared to Android) to customize it.

              If you aren't happy beyond that, you can fuck off. You can install alternatives, but you can't really get rid off Apple's defaults because you can't uninstall their apps or change the default apps to open stuff with.

              1 vote
              1. [4]
                ohyran
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                Well again, I don't much mind. I DO mind the fact that I have to trust the Apple business modell to ensure not being tracked... but considering that Lineage have some of the nasty Android bits...

                Well again, I don't much mind. I DO mind the fact that I have to trust the Apple business modell to ensure not being tracked... but considering that Lineage have some of the nasty Android bits left in (which can't be removed) it's sort of on par.

                Personally I don't care THAT much about it either - I mean I would love to have Freetube (I think thats the name of the app) on there but I can get around it anyway... Oh and KDE Connect! Thats the one I really miss! I mean the way I use my phone is basically just for calls and text messages and if I open an app, I get messages through that (I don't allow ANY unwanted "dings" from apps that's closed). Sometimes I wanna check OSM or whether something is open... but that can be done in the browser.

                Since I don't buy phones it tend not to be that big of a deal. There is no need to justify the cost.

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                  Grzmot
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                  Unfortunately there really isn't an alternative for people who like to customize their device but also care about their privacy. I'm an Android man through and through for a myriad of reasons, but...

                  Unfortunately there really isn't an alternative for people who like to customize their device but also care about their privacy.

                  I'm an Android man through and through for a myriad of reasons, but Apple's stance on privacy is a very appealing one.

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                    ohyran
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                    (Full disclosure - the sun is shining. I've just downed a second glass of white wine and I am feeling kinda mushy) Well I don't customize much personally. I just prefer to dodge Google as much as...

                    (Full disclosure - the sun is shining. I've just downed a second glass of white wine and I am feeling kinda mushy)

                    Well I don't customize much personally. I just prefer to dodge Google as much as possible - at the same time I have a few soft-core opinions and feelings about the use of my device (which are based solely on my "feeling" for the thing which doesn't matter at all for anyone but me).

                    To me its about choice. Whatever choice someone makes if its an enlightened one - is a GOOD choice. I may disagree with it but that is not a counter argument to their choice, just me not willing to mimic it. If someone feels like 100% Android or 100% Apple, that is a-ok. Life is tricky enough as it is.

                    The whole idea that we either have to like A and hate B scares me way more than anything. It's a logic of defeat because it ties up brands with ideals like loyalty which they don't deserve.

                    Plus to be totally honest - for me a phone is something a friend says "Oh I have a spare phone, you need one?" and if I do I go "yeah" if not I check around to see if someone else needs one. Whatever people need is what matters.

                    <3

                    1. Grzmot
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                      I agree, everyone should pick whatever they're most comfy with. It's not that I love Android, it's just that in the market we're in it does best what I want out of a phone. The problem with...

                      I agree, everyone should pick whatever they're most comfy with. It's not that I love Android, it's just that in the market we're in it does best what I want out of a phone. The problem with adoption a new OS outside the Apple/Android sphere is that no one else support it, sort of like when you really want to use Signal because it's safer and better but everyone else keeps using Whatsapp because everyone else keeps using Whatsapp.

                      But if you don't think too hard about it, most phones today are the same and it's about the details now. Does a good camera matter to you? If not, you can safely ignore flagship phones and shop around with midrange phones, coz at this point they don't really do anything worse than the really expensive phones.

  2. [3]
    JXM
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    I use Adobe products because my work pays for them. If I had to pay for them myself, I would just start using Final Cut Pro X. Heck, if I didn't have to share projects with another editor who uses...

    I use Adobe products because my work pays for them. If I had to pay for them myself, I would just start using Final Cut Pro X. Heck, if I didn't have to share projects with another editor who uses Windows, I would pushed for us to have both switched to FCP X years ago.

    Unless you need integration with other Adobe products, there's not a real reason to spend the money for Creative Cloud. It's expensive, poorly optimized for Macs and way more than most people need. If you're just doing simple talking to the camera style YouTube videos with a few B roll shots thrown in, Premiere is way overkill. Most of them aren't part of a content farm (I don't mean that in a derogatory way) like Linux Tech Tips. As Linus mentions in the video, that integration is what brings them back to Adobe. Most people don't need that.

    Now...with all that said - the bottom line is that what editing software you use is only secondary. I could create the same content in both Premiere and Final Cut (or Resolve or any other editor). It's the person using the software (and their knowledge of it) that matters.

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    1. [2]
      ohyran
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      This is something that can't be understated. I don't have much knowledge about video editing software per say but graphics, layout and illustration (and some animation) - and some times there is a...

      the bottom line is that what editing software you use is only secondary. I could create the same content in both Premiere and Final Cut (or Resolve or any other editor). It's the person using the software (and their knowledge of it) that matters.

      This is something that can't be understated. I don't have much knowledge about video editing software per say but graphics, layout and illustration (and some animation) - and some times there is a "well my tools must be wrong" kind of attitude. Some tools have some benefits over others, but that constant hunt for the one-and-only-tool is sort of odd considering the main skill set is kept in the thing that is sitting in front of the computer.

      2 votes
      1. Weldawadyathink
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        I will add that some tools promote a different workflow, and that can be better or worse for people. Back when I was into photography, I used Lightroom. It makes it simple to manage a gigantic...

        I will add that some tools promote a different workflow, and that can be better or worse for people. Back when I was into photography, I used Lightroom. It makes it simple to manage a gigantic library of photos easily. No other tools I tried gave me anywhere near the sort of control I had with Lightroom.

        But, in terms of the quality of image editing on a single image, you are correct. There is little that sets Lightroom apart from any other raw editor, including free options.

        2 votes