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Mozilla goes full incubator with ‘Fix The Internet’ startup lab and early-stage investments

14 comments

  1. [11]
    Bop
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    I have to admit I'm a huge fan of mozilla recently. The features they're introducing to Firefox to protect users are amazing.

    I have to admit I'm a huge fan of mozilla recently. The features they're introducing to Firefox to protect users are amazing.

    12 votes
    1. [10]
      BlindCarpenter
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      I am really excited for their email relay service. I hope I can get an invite to the beta.

      I am really excited for their email relay service. I hope I can get an invite to the beta.

      6 votes
      1. [9]
        mercury
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        What is this email relay service you speak of? Edit: Ah I found it Firefox Relay. Basically when you're filling forms, you can enter an alias email which would receive the email and then they get...

        What is this email relay service you speak of?

        Edit: Ah I found it Firefox Relay. Basically when you're filling forms, you can enter an alias email which would receive the email and then they get forwarded to you.

        It seems very convenient but how will it stop email tracking through adding a pixel in the mail?

        2 votes
        1. [5]
          CedarMadness
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          Use an email provider that doesn't load images without you explicitly allowing it. I think even GMail has this setting.

          Use an email provider that doesn't load images without you explicitly allowing it. I think even GMail has this setting.

          5 votes
          1. Akir
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            Better yet, it's set that way by default. Edit: It's default on Thunderbird as well.

            think even GMail has this setting.

            Better yet, it's set that way by default.

            Edit: It's default on Thunderbird as well.

            2 votes
          2. [3]
            mercury
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            Noted. But does that disable all forms of tracking? I'm not much aware on the topic myself.

            Noted. But does that disable all forms of tracking? I'm not much aware on the topic myself.

            1 vote
            1. [2]
              Diff
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              all forms of tracking isn't really possible unfortunately. Like take for example email links. People who send email can send a link unique to you, so if you click it they know it's you. There's...

              all forms of tracking isn't really possible unfortunately. Like take for example email links. People who send email can send a link unique to you, so if you click it they know it's you. There's not really any way to fix that, because there's no way to know where the link really points to before clicking on it.

              3 votes
              1. Greg
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                That's an interesting one, actually: could a large email provider reduce the signal to noise ratio sufficiently to make those links useless? It'd be similar to what Google already does with images...

                That's an interesting one, actually: could a large email provider reduce the signal to noise ratio sufficiently to make those links useless? It'd be similar to what Google already does with images (the irony of Google blocking other companies' tracking is not lost on me here) - if they did auto-follow every link and replace it with the actual destination, every link would show 100% follow rate and user clicks would be drowned out.

                I still see a handful of technical problems to work around, and some potential ways that marketers might adapt, but it could be plausible.

                3 votes
        2. nothis
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          Nice. I got excited there, for a moment and thought they'd launch a full, proper email service. With a yearly fee instead of ads. I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.

          Nice. I got excited there, for a moment and thought they'd launch a full, proper email service. With a yearly fee instead of ads. I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.

          2 votes
        3. BlindCarpenter
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          im not sure what a pixel is, but I use protonmail and it is set to block all remote content by default. If i receive an email from someone i know, I can hit a button to load the remote content

          im not sure what a pixel is, but I use protonmail and it is set to block all remote content by default. If i receive an email from someone i know, I can hit a button to load the remote content

          1 vote
        4. bloup
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          It won't, but it makes it so instead of asking spammers to please stop spamming you, you can just delete whatever alias you used to sign up for the service that leaked your personal info. Also,...

          It won't, but it makes it so instead of asking spammers to please stop spamming you, you can just delete whatever alias you used to sign up for the service that leaked your personal info.

          Also, when there are leaks, still nobody but you and whoever you trust enough to tell will know your email address, which offers a certain kind of protection on its own.

          1 vote
  2. [3]
    gpl
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    Is this something that could be relevant for Tildes? The article says Tildes certainly fits the bill for at least 3 of those.

    Is this something that could be relevant for Tildes? The article says

    Developers in a variety of domains were invited to apply, as long as they fit the themes of empowerment, privacy, decentralization, community and so on.

    Tildes certainly fits the bill for at least 3 of those.

    6 votes
    1. [2]
      cfabbro
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      Unfortunately, Mozilla requiring 3.5% ownership of Tildes for that $75k investment is the part that probably wouldn't fly here considering Tildes whole "no investors" thing. That and startup...

      Unfortunately, Mozilla requiring 3.5% ownership of Tildes for that $75k investment is the part that probably wouldn't fly here considering Tildes whole "no investors" thing. That and startup investing is typically not meant for non-profits.

      Mozilla does have a grant program, but they also come with a few strings attached too, IIRC.

      8 votes
      1. gpl
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        Ah, I totally missed that part. I thought it was more of a grant-program along the lines of the one you've linked.

        Ah, I totally missed that part. I thought it was more of a grant-program along the lines of the one you've linked.

        4 votes