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Several subreddits have posted a open letter "Open Letter to Steve Huffman and the Board of Directors of Reddit, Inc– If you believe in standing up to hate and supporting black lives, you need to act"

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  1. [2]
    dubteedub
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    Thanks for sharing this creesch! It was a ton of work to wrangle this all together over the weekend and I am really amazed by how many subreddits (particularly former defaults) that came out in...

    Thanks for sharing this creesch! It was a ton of work to wrangle this all together over the weekend and I am really amazed by how many subreddits (particularly former defaults) that came out in support.

    Hopefully we can get some media attention out of this to put pressure on Steve and the Reddit Board.

    20 votes
    1. Amarok
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      I got something special in mind for listentothis as well. Just sent a redditrequest to get my account reactivated (lost 2fa codes). The way the music industry handled the blackout was rather...

      I got something special in mind for listentothis as well. Just sent a redditrequest to get my account reactivated (lost 2fa codes). The way the music industry handled the blackout was rather pathetic. I've got something much more fun I want to run by the team. ;)

      5 votes
  2. [22]
    JXM
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    The CEO of Reddit’s response: HOW HARD IS IT TO JUST SAY WE DON’T WANT RACISTS OR HATE SPEECH ON OUR PLATFORM? It shouldn’t even be a controversial issue. And that’s a massive list of popular...

    The CEO of Reddit’s response:

    We shared our thoughts and intentions last Friday, June 6; your list and our list have a high amount of overlap. We’d like to show progress with what we do in the coming weeks rather than what we say. I’m looking forward to speaking directly with those of you participating in the Mod Councils. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for all you do for your communities.

    HOW HARD IS IT TO JUST SAY WE DON’T WANT RACISTS OR HATE SPEECH ON OUR PLATFORM?

    It shouldn’t even be a controversial issue.

    And that’s a massive list of popular subreddits that are co-signing this letter.

    30 votes
    1. [9]
      moonbathers
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      He's either sympathetic to white supremacists or he likes their money more than he dislikes their cause.

      He's either sympathetic to white supremacists or he likes their money more than he dislikes their cause.

      22 votes
      1. [8]
        spit-evil-olive-tips
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        From 2017: Doomsday prep for the super-rich

        From 2017: Doomsday prep for the super-rich

        Steve Huffman, the thirty-three-year-old co-founder and C.E.O. of Reddit, which is valued at six hundred million dollars, was nearsighted until November, 2015, when he arranged to have laser eye surgery. He underwent the procedure not for the sake of convenience or appearance but, rather, for a reason he doesn’t usually talk much about: he hopes that it will improve his odds of surviving a disaster, whether natural or man-made. “If the world ends—and not even if the world ends, but if we have trouble—getting contacts or glasses is going to be a huge pain in the ass,” he told me recently. “Without them, I’m fucked.”

        He is less focussed on a specific threat—a quake on the San Andreas, a pandemic, a dirty bomb—than he is on the aftermath, “the temporary collapse of our government and structures,” as he puts it. “I own a couple of motorcycles. I have a bunch of guns and ammo. Food. I figure that, with that, I can hole up in my house for some amount of time.”

        ...

        Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

        23 votes
        1. Grzmot
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          Holy fuck the dude is full of himself. The idea that a tech company C.E.O who probably has no clue as to basic survival techniques, thinks he'd be a leader in a post-apocalyptic world when his...

          I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.

          Holy fuck the dude is full of himself. The idea that a tech company C.E.O who probably has no clue as to basic survival techniques, thinks he'd be a leader in a post-apocalyptic world when his idea of prepping his "owning a bunch of guns and some food to hole up in his house for some time" is ridiculous.

          22 votes
        2. [6]
          ThatFanficGuy
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          How is this relevant to the possible racist connections?

          How is this relevant to the possible racist connections?

          4 votes
          1. [5]
            moonbathers
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            I'm not gonna say it's directly related, but it speaks volumes about what he thinks of himself and his thoughts on hierarchies. He's imagining himself as Immortan Joe when a much healthier outlook...

            I'm not gonna say it's directly related, but it speaks volumes about what he thinks of himself and his thoughts on hierarchies. He's imagining himself as Immortan Joe when a much healthier outlook and strategy for surviving the apocalypse is a group where everyone works together and is relatively democratic/communal about it. Racism is rooted in believing there's a hierarchy in which your race is at the top and everyone else is varying levels below you, as seen when white people in power try to put minorities "in their place", like segregation, white flight, etc. It's a point supporting the conclusion rather than one that creates the conclusion by itself, I think.

            9 votes
            1. [4]
              ThatFanficGuy
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              While I'm not to imply that he's one way or another about racism... isn't that a bit of a stretch? It does speak to his being somewhat narcissistic, but correlation isn't causation, is it?

              While I'm not to imply that he's one way or another about racism... isn't that a bit of a stretch? It does speak to his being somewhat narcissistic, but correlation isn't causation, is it?

              6 votes
              1. [3]
                moonbathers
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                No, it's not. I was just trying to try and explain it, although I don't think that interview alone says he's a racist piece of shit.

                No, it's not. I was just trying to try and explain it, although I don't think that interview alone says he's a racist piece of shit.

                1 vote
                1. [2]
                  ThatFanficGuy
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                  It was the context that obscured the meaning: your posting it directly under accusations of racist allegiances. You can still make a case of him being an entitled jerk. Tying it straight to racism...

                  It was the context that obscured the meaning: your posting it directly under accusations of racist allegiances.

                  You can still make a case of him being an entitled jerk. Tying it straight to racism creates more problem than it solves.

                  3 votes
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                    1. ThatFanficGuy
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                      No, I didn't. I was referring to posting the comment.

                      No, I didn't. I was referring to posting the comment.

                      1 vote
    2. [12]
      mrbig
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      I suppose he’s afraid of reaction since a large portion of Reddit users believe in absolute free speech.

      I suppose he’s afraid of reaction since a large portion of Reddit users believe in absolute free speech.

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        thundergolfer
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        This has to mean "freedom from consequences of my speech". The actual/traditional notion free speech, as it put down in the 1st amendment, relates to the government restriction on speech. On...

        absolute free speech.

        This has to mean "freedom from consequences of my speech". The actual/traditional notion free speech, as it put down in the 1st amendment, relates to the government restriction on speech.

        On Reddit, the concern seems to be "I want to call someone the n-word on Reddit and not be banned or flagged".

        9 votes
      2. [7]
        moonbathers
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        It couldn't be worse than the absolute fit that people threw after FPH was banned, and that blew over in a few days.

        It couldn't be worse than the absolute fit that people threw after FPH was banned, and that blew over in a few days.

        3 votes
        1. [6]
          mrbig
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          What is FPH?

          What is FPH?

          1. [5]
            moonbathers
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            r/fatpeoplehate, it was banned in 2015 for being generally awful and harassing people. The front page was dominated by hatred for then-CEO-and-designated-scapegoat Ellen Pao; shopping her into...

            r/fatpeoplehate, it was banned in 2015 for being generally awful and harassing people. The front page was dominated by hatred for then-CEO-and-designated-scapegoat Ellen Pao; shopping her into pictures of Hitler, people saying she should be assaulted, the whole shebang.

            4 votes
            1. [4]
              mrbig
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              I see. That’s one sub though. To ban racism on Reddit a small revolution is required.

              I see. That’s one sub though. To ban racism on Reddit a small revolution is required.

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                moonbathers
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                It would certainly take some preparing, both logistically and mentally, but it could be done. If I was in charge, I'd do it something like this. Gather a list of subreddits that are going to be...

                It would certainly take some preparing, both logistically and mentally, but it could be done. If I was in charge, I'd do it something like this.

                1. Gather a list of subreddits that are going to be banned
                2. Tell all the staff how it's going to be handled in the future, that the site is going to take a stand against racism.
                3. Prepare a statement / post about the new rules and what's changing
                4. Ban the offending subreddits and then post the statement
                5. Be on high alert for at least a couple days for ban evasion subs and the users that make them
                6. Mentally prepare yourself for the conservative backlash since multiple explicitly-conservative subreddits will be banned. You can prepare some evidence that these subreddits were saying awful things, but don't spend too much time on it because you won't convince most of the people who think conservatives are persecuted to believe otherwise
                7. Ask your legal department if Trump can actually follow up on any of the threats he will inevitably make

                It would be painful, but the alternative is letting more people radicalize on the site and inevitably have more people die at the hands of those radicalized people (Heather Heyer and the guy who was killed by his T_D-frequenting son).

                5 votes
                1. [2]
                  mrbig
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                  Well yeah it’s doable. That doesn’t mean it will be done. They certainly have other priorities.

                  Well yeah it’s doable. That doesn’t mean it will be done. They certainly have other priorities.

                  1 vote
                  1. moonbathers
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                    No, I don't think it will be done either, and it wouldn't be even if the blowback was less painful.

                    No, I don't think it will be done either, and it wouldn't be even if the blowback was less painful.

                    2 votes
      3. tunneljumper
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        Six or seven years ago yeah, but I think nowadays reddit is much closer to a "normie" userbase than before. He could say something along those lines and I think most people would be generally okay...

        Six or seven years ago yeah, but I think nowadays reddit is much closer to a "normie" userbase than before. He could say something along those lines and I think most people would be generally okay with it instead of a bunch of "but muh free speech" people coming out of the woodwork.

        2 votes
      4. babypuncher
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        It wouldn't really hurt the platform if most of those people left.

        It wouldn't really hurt the platform if most of those people left.

        1 vote
  3. [7]
    mrbig
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    I wonder if some of these subs would be at all interested in eventually coming to Tildes (exclusively or not). IDK if that’s really convenient for them and for us, but some subs have guidelines...

    I wonder if some of these subs would be at all interested in eventually coming to Tildes (exclusively or not). IDK if that’s really convenient for them and for us, but some subs have guidelines and cultures that are already very similar to ours. /r/askphilosophy comes to mind. Just a thought.

    5 votes
    1. Amarok
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      Generally, the /r/depthhub network (multi) aligns very well with Tildes and already conduct themselves on reddit exactly as we do.

      Generally, the /r/depthhub network (multi) aligns very well with Tildes and already conduct themselves on reddit exactly as we do.

      9 votes
    2. [2]
      thundergolfer
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      I'm personally hoping Tildes can advertise itself to subs like /r/askphilosophy as "like Reddit, but takes a hardline against racists because we don't need their eyeballs for ad revenue".

      I'm personally hoping Tildes can advertise itself to subs like /r/askphilosophy as "like Reddit, but takes a hardline against racists because we don't need their eyeballs for ad revenue".

      6 votes
      1. mrbig
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        Yeah we could, if only we could find a way to do so that doesn’t come across as advertising or rule breaking. I find that hard to do except on /r/redditalternatives. I was thinking about maybe...

        Yeah we could, if only we could find a way to do so that doesn’t come across as advertising or rule breaking. I find that hard to do except on /r/redditalternatives.

        I was thinking about maybe approaching mods directly. But not me individually, I think we should discuss this as a community first.

        5 votes
    3. skybrian
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      I don't see Tildes as being a genuine alternative for them since there's no equivalent here of a subreddit. (Groups aren't separate communities.)

      I don't see Tildes as being a genuine alternative for them since there's no equivalent here of a subreddit. (Groups aren't separate communities.)

      4 votes