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Substack paid a secret group of writers to make newsletter authorship seem lucrative

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  1. [4]
    stu2b50
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    To be frank I'm kinda confused what this is alleging. I think the closest thing that resonated with me is that Substack is actively choosing users and growth over ethics given some of the initial...

    To be frank I'm kinda confused what this is alleging. I think the closest thing that resonated with me is that Substack is actively choosing users and growth over ethics given some of the initial writers they choose. But the author generally seems flabbergasted by the idea that a company would hand piles of cash over to big name creators to bootstrap their platform. Which seems... strange? Am I the crazy one for finding this normal at this point? Idk?

    Additionally, the claim that the model is a "scam" I also have a hard time getting behind. I mean, it's just wordpress + patreon mashed together. Yeah, most creators will not have the revenue to sustain off of, but is that surprising? If nothing else, it's free hosting, and safe payment processing is also a nontrivial addition to a blog. I can't imagine how it's any more of a scam than, like, youtube.

    I think in the end if the stance is "substack su bsidizes Greenwald so fuck them" then fair enough, but I am confused at the apparant surprise to the process of poaching talent with money to be the halo product for your platform.

    edit: removed this last bit, didn't really think it made sense after rereading it.

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      spit-evil-olive-tips
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      Yeah, I took "scam" out of the headline here on purpose, since I think it's unnecessarily provocative. By the standards of old-school journalism, it's completely unheard of, and would be viewed as...

      Yeah, I took "scam" out of the headline here on purpose, since I think it's unnecessarily provocative.

      But the author generally seems flabbergasted by the idea that a company would hand piles of cash over to big name creators to bootstrap their platform. Which seems... strange? Am I the crazy one for finding this normal at this point? Idk?

      By the standards of old-school journalism, it's completely unheard of, and would be viewed as very much against journalistic ethics if a traditional newspaper did it. That's where I think the author's concern comes from. But meanwhile, by Silicon Valley standards, it's just normal "growth hacking".

      The reason I think this is an interesting story is that Substack sits pretty squarely at that point where old-school journalism ethics and Silicon Valley ethics collide.

      in general I feel a lot of Substack discourse is kinda silly

      It does tend to be navel-gazing, "journalists writing about feuds between journalists" type stuff.

      But for an interesting juxtaposition - BuzzFeed lays off 70 HuffPost staffers in massive 'restructure' less than a month after acquisition. Meanwhile, Substack is paying some of its handpicked writers $250k/year. Journalism as an industry is going through some weird changes.

      I really want to see journalism continue to exist independent of the power structures it reports on and scrutinizes. Substack and the overall Silicon-Valley-ization of journalism is an interesting piece of that.

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      1. [2]
        stu2b50
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        Is it? Companies lure talent to themselves with money all the time. Substack grabbed Yglesias from Vox, but the NYT also grabbed Ezra Klein from Vox at the same time, presumably with more pay and...

        By the standards of old-school journalism, it's completely unheard of, and would be viewed as very much against journalistic ethics if a traditional newspaper did it.

        Is it? Companies lure talent to themselves with money all the time. Substack grabbed Yglesias from Vox, but the NYT also grabbed Ezra Klein from Vox at the same time, presumably with more pay and less editorial oversight as the carrots.

        Substack is a more exaggerated example in many cases but the point remains.

        Idk this just seems a fairly normal practice that exists far beyond tech companies.

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        1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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          The part that seems unique is that Substack is refusing to disclose who the paid writers are By standards of old-school journalism, yes, "we won't disclose who our paid authors are" is very...

          The part that seems unique is that Substack is refusing to disclose who the paid writers are

          By doing this, Substack is creating a de facto editorial policy. Their leadership -- let’s call them editors -- are deciding what kinds of writing and writers are worthy of financial compensation. And you don’t know who those people are. That’s right -- Substack is taking an editorial stance, paying writers who fit that stance, and refusing to be transparent about who those people are. Hamish writes:

          We don’t disclose the names of the writers with whom we’ve done deals because it is their private information and up to them whether or not they want it publicly known.

          He makes it sound like this is about protecting writers’ anonymity, but it’s not. Substack could easily allow their writers to publish anonymously, but still identify them by the names of their publications.

          By standards of old-school journalism, yes, "we won't disclose who our paid authors are" is very strange. Matt Yglesias volunteered the info that Substack was paying him. He's under no obligation to do that. That's where a comparison with Ezra Klein and the NYT falls apart - it's very clear to everyone that Klein and the Times are in an employee/employer relationship. Yglesias has a Substack newsletter, but we don't talk about him as a paid employee of Substack, and if he hadn't said he got an advance from Substack, we would never know.

          So Substack has an editorial policy, but no accountability. And they have terms of service, but no enforcement. If you listen to Hamish, they don’t even hire writers! They just give money to people who write things that happen to be on Substack. It’s the usual Silicon Valley sleight-of-hand move, very similar to Uber reps claiming drivers aren’t “core” to their business. I’m sure Substack is paying a writer right now to come up with a catchy way of saying that Substack doesn’t pay writers.

          Substack seems to want to hide behind some kind of plausible deniability here, where any criticism of one of its paid writers won't reflect negatively on Substack because there's not a confirmed link. They can hide behind "we're not a publisher, we're just a platform" while also making backroom deals about who they pay to publish on their platform.

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  2. entangledamplitude
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    I don’t get the hand-wringing. There is no unified “Substack product” analogous to a newspaper that bundles together content from different writers, edited with a specific policy/brand. Also,...

    I don’t get the hand-wringing. There is no unified “Substack product” analogous to a newspaper that bundles together content from different writers, edited with a specific policy/brand. Also, Substack doesn’t really claim to be the “news” or “facts” or anything. It’s a blogging platform; whether some people are being paid (presumably because of their ability to attract large audiences, but it doesn’t really matter) seems quite irrelevant. They were never claiming anything like “neutral” anyways, so I don’t get why they need to put out an editorial policy — the blogs on Substack are welcome to be biased in whatever ad hoc ways they turn it to be.

    Eg: would it matter if a thinktank (backed by anonymous sponsors) started publishing a newsletter on Substack?

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